RE: CCIE certification value.

The toughest interview is one done to eliminate a candidate. If you try
hard enough, you can!

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Yuri
Bank
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 3:17 PM
To: shekhar sharma
Cc: venkat; Jay McMickle; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: CCIE certification value.

This kind of attitude is pretty common against CCIEs. Usually, people either
think the certification itself is worthless, they're jealous, or a
combination of the two. It basically comes down to 'Oh this guy is a CCIE?
Oh whats he know! I'm going to try and ask him some questions he doesn't
know and prove that he doesn't know $%*#'

Yawn. Seen this many times. Just means you have to be on your toes, and be
humble. Don't go around advertising yourself as a CCIE.
Advertise yourself as somebody who understands Networking, the technologies
and protocols.

-Yuri

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:30 AM, shekhar sharma <shekhar.sharma21_at_gmail.com>
wrote:
> thanks venkat for taking this in positive way.....
>
> Actually It was a really shock for me,,,,,,,,Still i am not able to
> digest that stuff
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:54 PM, venkat <venkat.elex_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Shekhar,
>>
>> I had similar experience and started not looking for certifications
>> when starting an interview.. If a candidate can answer good number of
>> questions and strong on protocols (yes, candidate may have to review
>> their CCIE notes before attending an interview where they quote CCIE
>> #logo) and his past networking experience, then we consider his/her
>> certifications. And if he is CCIE then he is real gem and we offer what
he deserves.
>> We had bad experience with few candidates with CCNA/NP(or any other
>> vendor certification for matter) who doesn't know very basic. But
>> they can be easily isolated in interview. So, don't worry about few
>> black sheep in market..
>>
>> Work hard for your CCIE# and keep refreshing technologies even after
>> your CCIE#..
>>
>> Happy Studying,
>> Venkat
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jay McMickle
<jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I've seen twice replies coming in, and would like to offer my
>>> opinion as well.
>>>
>>> As a Technical Lead, as well as a hiring manager, I interview quit a
>>> few candidates. Most are CCIE's, or nearing it.
>>>
>>> I would like to mention that a CCIE isn't the ends to all means. It
>>> may mean that they once were great, but have moves into a role that
>>> doesn't engage those skills.
>>>
>>> Not to irritate any others here, but I'm sure some will admit, the
>>> older the number, the more cautious I am of a candidate I'm
>>> interviewing. I interviewed a double IE with a 9xxx number, that had
>>> forgotten BGP backdoor and BGP local-as (to help transition BGP numbers
in our case).
>>>
>>> A skill/cert is like your windshield wipers. Don't use them and
>>> after a period of time, they won't work either. ;)
>>>
>>> It's all about the skillset that the Engineer is fresh with. I once
>>> heard that you are never as good as you once were, right before your
>>> passing of your IE (quote Narbik).
>>>
>>> To be honest, I passed 2 months ago, and I can't recall all of the
>>> frame-relay and OSPF tricks I learned as I don't work with either in
>>> my environment (MPLS, BGP, and EIGRP).
>>>
>>> Stay fresh on your skills and never become complaicent.
>>>
>>> Happy labbing.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
>>> Sent from iJay
>>>
>>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:27 AM, shekhar sharma
>>> <shekhar.sharma21_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi All,
>>> >
>>> > First of all , before sharing anything , I want to say that I mean
>>> > no offense to anybody or any certifications.
>>> >
>>> > Just want you people to share your views on CCIE certification value.
>>> >
>>> > I am very upset with my experience with 3 CCIE certified
>>> > candidates
>>> >
>>> > I was interviewing 3 CCIE candidates for my company requirement,
>>> although I
>>> > am not a CCIE ...am preparing for the LAB,just cleared the written.
>>> >
>>> > Out of three , two guys are CCIE(R&S) Lab certified and one is
>>> > dual CCIE(R&S + Service Provider).
>>> >
>>> > The first candidate was average on theortical knowledge on various
>>> > technologies that I didn't expect form a CCIE .But the main part
>>> > is
>>> that he
>>> > doesn't have any practical knowledge on the actual implementation
>>> > in
>>> real
>>> > world.
>>> >
>>> > The second candidate was below average on theortical knowledge
>>> > ,not
>>> able to
>>> > answer even few OSPF questions and forget about the practical
>>> > part. He
>>> too
>>> > was zero on it.
>>> >
>>> > Now the third candidate who is dual CCIE .He is working in Cisco.
>>> > I was expecting a lot from him. He was good on the technical
>>> > knowledge ...not
>>> as
>>> > good as I expected......but again on the implementation part he
>>> > was
>>> zero.
>>> >
>>> > Don't you guys think that Cisco certifications have become a
>>> > ediucation buisness.I could be wrong in saying that but... i think
>>> > the trend has changed now ....and everyone is running for just
>>> > certification not
>>> becoming
>>> > actual IE.
>>> >
>>> > And this is affecting a lot the value of CCIE certification .....
>>> >
>>> > Again I mean no offense to anyone who is preparing for CCIE...I am
>>> > too preparing for LAB ,,, and some of the assumptions I have made
>>> > could be wrong.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Shekhar
>>> >
>>> >
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