Re: CCIE certification value.

This kind of attitude is pretty common against CCIEs. Usually, people
either think the certification itself is worthless, they're jealous,
or a combination of the two. It basically comes down to 'Oh this guy
is a CCIE? Oh whats he know! I'm going to try and ask him some
questions he doesn't know and prove that he doesn't know $%*#'

Yawn. Seen this many times. Just means you have to be on your toes,
and be humble. Don't go around advertising yourself as a CCIE.
Advertise yourself as somebody who understands Networking, the
technologies and protocols.

-Yuri

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:30 AM, shekhar sharma
<shekhar.sharma21_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> thanks venkat for taking this in positive way.....
>
> Actually It was a really shock for me,,,,,,,,Still i am not able to digest
> that stuff
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:54 PM, venkat <venkat.elex_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Shekhar,
>>
>> I had similar experience and started not looking for certifications when
>> starting an interview.. If a candidate can answer good number of questions
>> and strong on protocols (yes, candidate may have to review their CCIE notes
>> before attending an interview where they quote CCIE #logo) and his past
>> networking experience, then we consider his/her certifications. And if he
>> is CCIE then he is real gem and we offer what he deserves.
>> We had bad experience with few candidates with CCNA/NP(or any other
>> vendor certification for matter) who doesn't know very basic. But they can
>> be easily isolated in interview. So, don't worry about few black sheep in
>> market..
>>
>> Work hard for your CCIE# and keep refreshing technologies even after your
>> CCIE#..
>>
>> Happy Studying,
>> Venkat
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I've seen twice replies coming in, and would like to offer my opinion as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> As a Technical Lead, as well as a hiring manager, I interview quit a few
>>> candidates. Most are CCIE's, or nearing it.
>>>
>>> I would like to mention that a CCIE isn't the ends to all means. It may
>>> mean that they once were great, but have moves into a role that doesn't
>>> engage those skills.
>>>
>>> Not to irritate any others here, but I'm sure some will admit, the older
>>> the number, the more cautious I am of a candidate I'm interviewing. I
>>> interviewed a double IE with a 9xxx number, that had forgotten BGP backdoor
>>> and BGP local-as (to help transition BGP numbers in our case).
>>>
>>> A skill/cert is like your windshield wipers. Don't use them and after a
>>> period of time, they won't work either. ;)
>>>
>>> It's all about the skillset that the Engineer is fresh with. I once heard
>>> that you are never as good as you once were, right before your passing of
>>> your IE (quote Narbik).
>>>
>>> To be honest, I passed 2 months ago, and I can't recall all of the
>>> frame-relay and OSPF tricks I learned as I don't work with either in my
>>> environment (MPLS, BGP, and EIGRP).
>>>
>>> Stay fresh on your skills and never become complaicent.
>>>
>>> Happy labbing.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
>>> Sent from iJay
>>>
>>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:27 AM, shekhar sharma <shekhar.sharma21_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi All,
>>> >
>>> > First of all , before sharing anything , I want to say that I mean no
>>> > offense to anybody or any certifications.
>>> >
>>> > Just want you people to share your views on CCIE certification value.
>>> >
>>> > I am very upset with my experience with 3 CCIE certified candidates
>>> >
>>> > I was interviewing 3 CCIE candidates for my company requirement,
>>> although I
>>> > am not a CCIE ...am preparing for the LAB,just cleared the written.
>>> >
>>> > Out of three , two guys are CCIE(R&S) Lab certified and one is dual
>>> > CCIE(R&S + Service Provider).
>>> >
>>> > The first candidate was average on theortical knowledge on various
>>> > technologies that I didn't expect form a CCIE .But the main part is
>>> that he
>>> > doesn't have any practical knowledge on the actual implementation in
>>> real
>>> > world.
>>> >
>>> > The second candidate was below average on theortical knowledge ,not
>>> able to
>>> > answer even few OSPF questions and forget about the practical part. He
>>> too
>>> > was zero on it.
>>> >
>>> > Now the third candidate who is dual CCIE .He is working in Cisco. I was
>>> > expecting a lot from him. He was good on the technical knowledge ...not
>>> as
>>> > good as I expected......but again on the implementation part he was
>>> zero.
>>> >
>>> > Don't you guys think that Cisco certifications have become a ediucation
>>> > buisness.I could be wrong in saying that but... i think the trend has
>>> > changed now ....and everyone is running for just certification not
>>> becoming
>>> > actual IE.
>>> >
>>> > And this is affecting a lot the value of CCIE certification .....
>>> >
>>> > Again I mean no offense to anyone who is preparing for CCIE...I am too
>>> > preparing for LAB ,,, and some of the assumptions I have made could be
>>> > wrong.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Shekhar
>>> >
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