Re: CCIE certification value.

Maybe your question wasn't clear...
Maybe CCIE is not CCDE, so don't ask him a design question

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:10 PM, shekhar sharma
<shekhar.sharma21_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> i am agreed with your opinion Jay.That we use to forget the stuff if we
> are not working on the same technologies on daily basis.
>
> But my point is for a CCIE , there should be a certain level and
> expectation.
>
> One of the guy i interview was not able to make a small network design for
> a small Enterprise.....Now with this question, i am not expecting them to
> know each and every technology.
>
> So , that means something wrong is going on which is degrading the valuue
> of CCIEs .....and can affect current & future CCIE candidates....
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I've seen twice replies coming in, and would like to offer my opinion as
> > well.
> >
> > As a Technical Lead, as well as a hiring manager, I interview quit a few
> > candidates. Most are CCIE's, or nearing it.
> >
> > I would like to mention that a CCIE isn't the ends to all means. It may
> > mean that they once were great, but have moves into a role that doesn't
> > engage those skills.
> >
> > Not to irritate any others here, but I'm sure some will admit, the older
> > the number, the more cautious I am of a candidate I'm interviewing. I
> > interviewed a double IE with a 9xxx number, that had forgotten BGP
> backdoor
> > and BGP local-as (to help transition BGP numbers in our case).
> >
> > A skill/cert is like your windshield wipers. Don't use them and after a
> > period of time, they won't work either. ;)
> >
> > It's all about the skillset that the Engineer is fresh with. I once heard
> > that you are never as good as you once were, right before your passing of
> > your IE (quote Narbik).
> >
> > To be honest, I passed 2 months ago, and I can't recall all of the
> > frame-relay and OSPF tricks I learned as I don't work with either in my
> > environment (MPLS, BGP, and EIGRP).
> >
> > Stay fresh on your skills and never become complaicent.
> >
> > Happy labbing.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
> > Sent from iJay
> >
> > On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:27 AM, shekhar sharma <shekhar.sharma21_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > First of all , before sharing anything , I want to say that I mean no
> > > offense to anybody or any certifications.
> > >
> > > Just want you people to share your views on CCIE certification value.
> > >
> > > I am very upset with my experience with 3 CCIE certified candidates
> > >
> > > I was interviewing 3 CCIE candidates for my company requirement,
> > although I
> > > am not a CCIE ...am preparing for the LAB,just cleared the written.
> > >
> > > Out of three , two guys are CCIE(R&S) Lab certified and one is dual
> > > CCIE(R&S + Service Provider).
> > >
> > > The first candidate was average on theortical knowledge on various
> > > technologies that I didn't expect form a CCIE .But the main part is
> that
> > he
> > > doesn't have any practical knowledge on the actual implementation in
> real
> > > world.
> > >
> > > The second candidate was below average on theortical knowledge ,not
> able
> > to
> > > answer even few OSPF questions and forget about the practical part. He
> > too
> > > was zero on it.
> > >
> > > Now the third candidate who is dual CCIE .He is working in Cisco. I was
> > > expecting a lot from him. He was good on the technical knowledge ...not
> > as
> > > good as I expected......but again on the implementation part he was
> zero.
> > >
> > > Don't you guys think that Cisco certifications have become a
> ediucation
> > > buisness.I could be wrong in saying that but... i think the trend has
> > > changed now ....and everyone is running for just certification not
> > becoming
> > > actual IE.
> > >
> > > And this is affecting a lot the value of CCIE certification .....
> > >
> > > Again I mean no offense to anyone who is preparing for CCIE...I am too
> > > preparing for LAB ,,, and some of the assumptions I have made could be
> > > wrong.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Shekhar
> > >
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