Re: CCIE certification value.

No offense, but I wish these type of posts would evaporate all together.
They come up on semi annual basis and not sure if it is to damage the moral
of the many working hard or a way to self prescribe and validate why
to abandon the pursuit. They always seem to end in a negative context and
end up being damaging to the group. BTW this is off topic and as stated,
almost everyone has replied to a post like this before. Please check the
archives and if those don't suffice present it as an OT subject. Also
realize it has no relevance whatsoever to gaining the cert. That is why we
study together here.

Regards,

Marc

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:10 AM, shekhar sharma
<shekhar.sharma21_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> i am agreed with your opinion Jay.That we use to forget the stuff if we
> are not working on the same technologies on daily basis.
>
> But my point is for a CCIE , there should be a certain level and
> expectation.
>
> One of the guy i interview was not able to make a small network design for
> a small Enterprise.....Now with this question, i am not expecting them to
> know each and every technology.
>
> So , that means something wrong is going on which is degrading the valuue
> of CCIEs .....and can affect current & future CCIE candidates....
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I've seen twice replies coming in, and would like to offer my opinion as
> > well.
> >
> > As a Technical Lead, as well as a hiring manager, I interview quit a few
> > candidates. Most are CCIE's, or nearing it.
> >
> > I would like to mention that a CCIE isn't the ends to all means. It may
> > mean that they once were great, but have moves into a role that doesn't
> > engage those skills.
> >
> > Not to irritate any others here, but I'm sure some will admit, the older
> > the number, the more cautious I am of a candidate I'm interviewing. I
> > interviewed a double IE with a 9xxx number, that had forgotten BGP
> backdoor
> > and BGP local-as (to help transition BGP numbers in our case).
> >
> > A skill/cert is like your windshield wipers. Don't use them and after a
> > period of time, they won't work either. ;)
> >
> > It's all about the skillset that the Engineer is fresh with. I once heard
> > that you are never as good as you once were, right before your passing of
> > your IE (quote Narbik).
> >
> > To be honest, I passed 2 months ago, and I can't recall all of the
> > frame-relay and OSPF tricks I learned as I don't work with either in my
> > environment (MPLS, BGP, and EIGRP).
> >
> > Stay fresh on your skills and never become complaicent.
> >
> > Happy labbing.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
> > Sent from iJay
> >
> > On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:27 AM, shekhar sharma <shekhar.sharma21_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > First of all , before sharing anything , I want to say that I mean no
> > > offense to anybody or any certifications.
> > >
> > > Just want you people to share your views on CCIE certification value.
> > >
> > > I am very upset with my experience with 3 CCIE certified candidates
> > >
> > > I was interviewing 3 CCIE candidates for my company requirement,
> > although I
> > > am not a CCIE ...am preparing for the LAB,just cleared the written.
> > >
> > > Out of three , two guys are CCIE(R&S) Lab certified and one is dual
> > > CCIE(R&S + Service Provider).
> > >
> > > The first candidate was average on theortical knowledge on various
> > > technologies that I didn't expect form a CCIE .But the main part is
> that
> > he
> > > doesn't have any practical knowledge on the actual implementation in
> real
> > > world.
> > >
> > > The second candidate was below average on theortical knowledge ,not
> able
> > to
> > > answer even few OSPF questions and forget about the practical part. He
> > too
> > > was zero on it.
> > >
> > > Now the third candidate who is dual CCIE .He is working in Cisco. I was
> > > expecting a lot from him. He was good on the technical knowledge ...not
> > as
> > > good as I expected......but again on the implementation part he was
> zero.
> > >
> > > Don't you guys think that Cisco certifications have become a
> ediucation
> > > buisness.I could be wrong in saying that but... i think the trend has
> > > changed now ....and everyone is running for just certification not
> > becoming
> > > actual IE.
> > >
> > > And this is affecting a lot the value of CCIE certification .....
> > >
> > > Again I mean no offense to anyone who is preparing for CCIE...I am too
> > > preparing for LAB ,,, and some of the assumptions I have made could be
> > > wrong.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Shekhar
> > >
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