Re: Studying for my fourth attempt

That's not true man...

We all need to grow up... Everyone thinks the lab is a test. Its actually many tests.

When you pass and look back what it took you'll agree.

I made a ccnp workbook of 1200 or so pages with solutions guide for my ccnp classes.

About 5 out of 150 people that have taken my classes actually got the routers in dynamips, the cisco-internal dynamips, did the topologies. All 5 are productive network engineers who are ccnp's and are on the way to becoming ccie's. The rest, I don't know.

The very first 2 people I trained was a desktop guy and a mail room clerk. Both went on to Morgan Stanley making about $150,000 a year. Was it my training? Was it them? Was it both?

I wasn't shit until my boss fired me and said "you're not a ccie, and I think we need one right now the way our company is growing"

So sometimes tough love is the thing!

From: Imran Ali [mailto:immrccie_at_gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 07:37 AM
To: marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com>
Cc: Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>; Derek Fink <cciedonkey_at_gmail.com>; Joseph L. Brunner; Leigh Finch <leigh_at_leighfinch.net>; Jazz Sunn <jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: Studying for my fourth attempt

i always had a feeling that joe might be having High B.P and easily looses his clam and starts complaining every now and then .

techincally i saw him very less helping people here than lashing them

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 2:55 AM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com<mailto:renorider_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
You just sunk his battleship!

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com<mailto:pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>>wrote:

> totally agreed with you Derek,
>
> OER is very big topic! I guess Leah have used very generic term "OER".
> It's just like saying I failed in BGP question.
> I don't see NDA violation here.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 5:40 AM, Derek Fink <cciedonkey_at_gmail.com<mailto:cciedonkey_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Saying "After getting destroyed by topics such as OER on my last 2
>> attempts" is NOT a NDA violation. OER is listed on the blueprint, and
>> saying "topics such as OER" simply implies topics not considered
>> "foundation topics".
>>
>> Being specific on how OER was presented in the lab would be a violation,
>> but that is nowhere near what Leigh said.
>>
>> I feel like I have wasted the last 5 minutes of my life even reading and
>> responding to this thread, but I don't like seeing CCIE's flaming
>> candidates for no reason.
>>
>> Best of luck with your journey Leigh! Joe, get a life!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:28 PM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com<mailto:renorider_at_gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > CCIE isn't about working harder... It is about working smarter ;)
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Joseph L. Brunner
>> > <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com<mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>>wrote:
>> >
>> > > They work harder than we do I have met enough CCIE s to learn
>> having a
>> > > 36 waist makes me Young Brad Pit compared to you guys J****
>> > >
>> > > ** **
>> > >
>> > > *From:* marc edwards [mailto:renorider_at_gmail.com<mailto:renorider_at_gmail.com>]
>> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:23 PM
>> > > *To:* Joseph L. Brunner
>> > > *Cc:* Leigh Finch; Jazz Sunn; Cisco certification
>> > >
>> > > *Subject:* Re: Studying for my fourth attempt****
>> > >
>> > > ** **
>> > >
>> > > Comparing a CCIE to a theme park employee? That statement, in itself,
>> > just
>> > > devalued the cert more than any NDA violation I have seen on this
>> forum.
>> > *
>> > > ***
>> > >
>> > > ** **
>> > >
>> > > Regards,****
>> > >
>> > > ** **
>> > >
>> > > Marc****
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Joseph L. Brunner <
>> > > joe_at_affirmedsystems.com<mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>> wrote:****
>> > >
>> > > If OER wasn't on your lab attempt why even mention it?
>> > >
>> > > Forget how much money I spent on my CCIE, I would care less how you
>> get
>> > > your number or not - think about the people at Cisco that work hard to
>> > > bring you the test...
>> > >
>> > > Kind of like the characters at Disney World that get up at 5 am for
>> > > rehearsals and wait around until the park opens each day, so 1000's of
>> > > happy kids can rush into see them! Or Astronauts that spend 10 to 20
>> > years
>> > > in the military to earn the CHANCE to even APPLY for the space
>> program...
>> > > someone did something you didn't do so you could just watch... that's
>> > this
>> > > test...
>> > >
>> > > If you're really worthy of the test you'll respect it and just pass
>> it -
>> > > who needs to know what you got tested on the day you failed or pass?
>> > >
>> > > Also, whether you respect it or not that your business - but be warned
>> > > there is an NDA and who knows what could happen if Cisco employees
>> are on
>> > > this forum looking for specific examples of NDA violations.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > >
>> > > Joe****
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On Behalf
>> Of
>> > > Leigh Finch****
>> > >
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:38 PM
>> > > To: Jazz Sunn
>> > > Cc: Cisco certification
>> > > Subject: Re: Studying for my fourth attempt
>> > >
>> > > Hi Jazz,
>> > > Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't mean to suggest that OER was
>> in my
>> > > last two attempts (I should have worded that better). I meant to use
>> OER
>> > as
>> > > a placeholder for a complex topic that I need to work on (and has
>> been a
>> > > popular topic on this forum of late).
>> > >
>> > > leigh****
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 21/06/12 10:33 AM, Jazz Sunn wrote:
>> > > > Leigh, lots of people react before thinking. Joesph's likely
>> invested
>> > > > a large amount of time, engery and money for his number, and as a
>> > > > result I'm sure the first hint he or anyone else in his position
>> gets
>> > > > that someone's attempting to devalue their credential, they lash
>> out.
>> > > > I'm assuming this was triggered by you stating OER was a topic for
>> > > > your last two attempts. However, it's clearly documented at 2.8 of
>> the
>> > > > R&S blueprint that OER is a topic you are expected to master for the
>> > > > exam. I'm not sure you would have received the same had you said BGP
>> > > > gave you a hard time.
>> > > > I have a blog, lots of my friends do, lots of people on this list
>> do.
>> > > > Writing about topics in an educational delivery model, blog or wiki,
>> > > > helps reinforce your understanding of it. I for one encourage you do
>> > > > to so, and look forward to reading some of your efforts.
>> > > > Good luck!
>> > > >
>> > > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Leigh Finch <leigh_at_leighfinch.net<mailto:leigh_at_leighfinch.net>
>> ****
>> > >
>> > > > <mailto:leigh_at_leighfinch.net<mailto:leigh_at_leighfinch.net>>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > At no point have I stated what was in my labs. My wiki is not
>> > > > designed to be a dump site. I have not written about what was in
>> > > > my labs. I'm covering broad topics with areas I need to work on.
>> > > >
>> > > > I won't post about it again.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks, leigh
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 21/06/12 9:42 AM, Joseph L. Brunner wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > This should read - "After getting walked out by the Proctors
>> > > > or denied my lab booking for BREAKING THE NDA by divulging
>> > > > what I faced on my previous attempts".
>> > > >
>> > > > Please let's be professional and not turn this into a dump
>> > > > board - you don't need to tell anyone (except your priest,
>> > > > rabbi, imam, wife or attorney) what was on your CCIE lab
>> exam.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks,
>> > > >
>> > > > Joe
>> > > > #19366
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com> <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>> >****
>> > >
>> > > > [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com> <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>> >]
>> > > > On Behalf Of Leigh Finch
>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:03 PM
>> > > > To: Cisco certification
>> > > > Subject: Studying for my fourth attempt
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi Everyone,
>> > > > I'm starting to ramp up for my fourth attempt. After getting
>> > > > destroyed by topics such as OER on my last 2 attempts. I've
>> > > > decided to start writing wiki articles for each topic of the
>> > > > blueprint to ensure, I know something about every topic.
>> > > >
>> > > > I won't be writing everything about a topic, but I'll try my
>> > > > best to be correct. Hopefully, if I'm confident enough to
>> > > > publish something, I know it well enough and I'm not
>> cheating
>> > > > myself.
>> > > >
>> > > > The first article I've written about is NTP. The rest of the
>> > > > wiki is just a skeleton at the moment.
>> > > >
>> > > >****
>> > >
>> > > > http://leighfinch.net/cisco_wiki/index.php/Network_Time_Protocol
>> > > >
>> > > > If you see something wrong please unicast me.
>> > > >
>> > > > Cheers, leigh
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>> > > >****
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > >
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