Re: Studying for my fourth attempt

totally agreed with you Derek,

OER is very big topic! I guess Leah have used very generic term "OER". It's
just like saying I failed in BGP question.
I don't see NDA violation here.

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 5:40 AM, Derek Fink <cciedonkey_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Saying "After getting destroyed by topics such as OER on my last 2
> attempts" is NOT a NDA violation. OER is listed on the blueprint, and
> saying "topics such as OER" simply implies topics not considered
> "foundation topics".
>
> Being specific on how OER was presented in the lab would be a violation,
> but that is nowhere near what Leigh said.
>
> I feel like I have wasted the last 5 minutes of my life even reading and
> responding to this thread, but I don't like seeing CCIE's flaming
> candidates for no reason.
>
> Best of luck with your journey Leigh! Joe, get a life!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:28 PM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > CCIE isn't about working harder... It is about working smarter ;)
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Joseph L. Brunner
> > <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
> >
> > > They work harder than we do I have met enough CCIE s to learn having
> a
> > > 36 waist makes me Young Brad Pit compared to you guys J****
> > >
> > > ** **
> > >
> > > *From:* marc edwards [mailto:renorider_at_gmail.com]
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:23 PM
> > > *To:* Joseph L. Brunner
> > > *Cc:* Leigh Finch; Jazz Sunn; Cisco certification
> > >
> > > *Subject:* Re: Studying for my fourth attempt****
> > >
> > > ** **
> > >
> > > Comparing a CCIE to a theme park employee? That statement, in itself,
> > just
> > > devalued the cert more than any NDA violation I have seen on this
> forum.
> > *
> > > ***
> > >
> > > ** **
> > >
> > > Regards,****
> > >
> > > ** **
> > >
> > > Marc****
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Joseph L. Brunner <
> > > joe_at_affirmedsystems.com> wrote:****
> > >
> > > If OER wasn't on your lab attempt why even mention it?
> > >
> > > Forget how much money I spent on my CCIE, I would care less how you get
> > > your number or not - think about the people at Cisco that work hard to
> > > bring you the test...
> > >
> > > Kind of like the characters at Disney World that get up at 5 am for
> > > rehearsals and wait around until the park opens each day, so 1000's of
> > > happy kids can rush into see them! Or Astronauts that spend 10 to 20
> > years
> > > in the military to earn the CHANCE to even APPLY for the space
> program...
> > > someone did something you didn't do so you could just watch... that's
> > this
> > > test...
> > >
> > > If you're really worthy of the test you'll respect it and just pass it
> -
> > > who needs to know what you got tested on the day you failed or pass?
> > >
> > > Also, whether you respect it or not that your business - but be warned
> > > there is an NDA and who knows what could happen if Cisco employees are
> on
> > > this forum looking for specific examples of NDA violations.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Joe****
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Leigh Finch****
> > >
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:38 PM
> > > To: Jazz Sunn
> > > Cc: Cisco certification
> > > Subject: Re: Studying for my fourth attempt
> > >
> > > Hi Jazz,
> > > Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't mean to suggest that OER was in
> my
> > > last two attempts (I should have worded that better). I meant to use
> OER
> > as
> > > a placeholder for a complex topic that I need to work on (and has been
> a
> > > popular topic on this forum of late).
> > >
> > > leigh****
> > >
> > >
> > > On 21/06/12 10:33 AM, Jazz Sunn wrote:
> > > > Leigh, lots of people react before thinking. Joesph's likely invested
> > > > a large amount of time, engery and money for his number, and as a
> > > > result I'm sure the first hint he or anyone else in his position gets
> > > > that someone's attempting to devalue their credential, they lash out.
> > > > I'm assuming this was triggered by you stating OER was a topic for
> > > > your last two attempts. However, it's clearly documented at 2.8 of
> the
> > > > R&S blueprint that OER is a topic you are expected to master for the
> > > > exam. I'm not sure you would have received the same had you said BGP
> > > > gave you a hard time.
> > > > I have a blog, lots of my friends do, lots of people on this list do.
> > > > Writing about topics in an educational delivery model, blog or wiki,
> > > > helps reinforce your understanding of it. I for one encourage you do
> > > > to so, and look forward to reading some of your efforts.
> > > > Good luck!
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Leigh Finch <leigh_at_leighfinch.net
> ****
> > >
> > > > <mailto:leigh_at_leighfinch.net>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > At no point have I stated what was in my labs. My wiki is not
> > > > designed to be a dump site. I have not written about what was in
> > > > my labs. I'm covering broad topics with areas I need to work on.
> > > >
> > > > I won't post about it again.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, leigh
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 21/06/12 9:42 AM, Joseph L. Brunner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This should read - "After getting walked out by the Proctors
> > > > or denied my lab booking for BREAKING THE NDA by divulging
> > > > what I faced on my previous attempts".
> > > >
> > > > Please let's be professional and not turn this into a dump
> > > > board - you don't need to tell anyone (except your priest,
> > > > rabbi, imam, wife or attorney) what was on your CCIE lab
> exam.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > > #19366
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> >****
> > >
> > > > [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> >]
> > > > On Behalf Of Leigh Finch
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:03 PM
> > > > To: Cisco certification
> > > > Subject: Studying for my fourth attempt
> > > >
> > > > Hi Everyone,
> > > > I'm starting to ramp up for my fourth attempt. After getting
> > > > destroyed by topics such as OER on my last 2 attempts. I've
> > > > decided to start writing wiki articles for each topic of the
> > > > blueprint to ensure, I know something about every topic.
> > > >
> > > > I won't be writing everything about a topic, but I'll try my
> > > > best to be correct. Hopefully, if I'm confident enough to
> > > > publish something, I know it well enough and I'm not cheating
> > > > myself.
> > > >
> > > > The first article I've written about is NTP. The rest of the
> > > > wiki is just a skeleton at the moment.
> > > >
> > > >****
> > >
> > > > http://leighfinch.net/cisco_wiki/index.php/Network_Time_Protocol
> > > >
> > > > If you see something wrong please unicast me.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers, leigh
> > > >
> > > >
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