Re: OT: Other vendors

The Chinese are already stealing everyone's IP, the last thing I want is
them designing/manufacturing my firewalls next.

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Tony Singh <mothafungla_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Ahh who are we.
> Embroiled in reverse engineering catos somewhere and bugs were the same.
> They have ripped most uk telcos to shreds since they've arrived here
> undercutting everyone the company is backed by the chinese government for
> Christ sakes so there not likely to fail.
> I'm surprised the uk government have made it so easy for them to enter the
> playing field, thousands of jobs at Ericsson and Fujitsu have gone as a
> result of their undercut products which SP's seem to love (DSLAM VDSL VoIP
> switches to name a few is where they are winning the business)
> They have 500 + engineers waiting on faults soon as they get one, which is
> where they are in a good position low labour costs etc, but products are
> buggy as hell but in time it will improve I'm sure.
>
> BR
>
> Tony
>
> Sent from my iPhone on 3
>
> On 14 May 2012, at 11:43, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Changed the subject line to be more appropriate.
> >
> > You make a very passive point. I'm on the fence about this, as I feel I
> bleed Cisco. Having pursued a dream for so long, it only makes sense that I
> defend their honor and show pride for my persistence.
> >
> > But, again, you make a good point in that why not allow other vendors
> attempt to catch up. But, as Brian stated, they have internal intelligence,
> and a never ending flow of cash to put into it. There have been many that
> have attempted, but I don't think Google or anyone else starting today in
> this game, is a near threat. Huawei is about the only upcoming potential
> threat right now. See the link below.
> >
> > Now get back to labbing! Where are the questions and issues? ;)
> >
> >
> http://m.networkworld.com/news/2011/100511-cisco-huawei-251645.html?mm_ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dhuawei%2Band%2Bcisco%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari#mobify-bookmark
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jay McMickle- CCIE #35355 (R&S)
> > Sent from iJay
> >
> > On May 14, 2012, at 4:11 AM, Geert Nijs <Geert.Nijs_at_simac.be> wrote:
> >
> >> Whats all the fuss about ?
> >> Companies like Google, Facebook, they are starting to have a market
> value equal to Cisco or even larger. Isn't it logical that they start to
> develop their own switches, servers or whatever...
> >> I would too, if I had the same means. But the reality is just that most
> of us don't work in such a large company. So what is the impact for us ?
> -If- Google or Facebook go public with their technology, it is just another
> network vendor we have to choose from.....
> >>
> >> Reg,
> >> G
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of john matijevic
> >> Sent: zondag 13 mei 2012 22:05
> >> To: bdennis_at_ine.com
> >> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: Re: INE OER free class!
> >>
> >> Interesting Article,
> >> However, just because you may be able to get cheaper hardware in third
> world countries, doesn't mean you will get the same level or service and
> support as you do here in the United States. I wonder how much capital of
> these foreign companies goes towards Research and Development. And again
> how about support and training, I haven't seen any programs come out of
> China or Taiwan, but if they will be selling on a large scale such as Cisco
> and Juniper, you would think that there would be a training program in
> place. The reality I would assume is that Micosoft, Google, Amazon and
> others I am willing to bet have in place Cisco gear, perhaps a test network
> that would include other equpment, but would be hard to say if they will go
> mainstream. But no doubt that Virtualization has become common place among
> companies, I see many companies now consolidating servers, and hardware.
> >>
> >> just my .02 cents,
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/13/12, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
> >>> Google is building their own switches. It's really scary for vendors
> >>> when the biggest customers are building their own equipment. Building
> >>> your own can mean getting line rate 10gb ports for a small fraction of
> >>> what you would pay from a vendor. Here is an article about a former
> >>> Google employee who helps companies with projects like these.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/03/google-microsoft-network-
> >>> gear/
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> >>> bdennis_at_ine.com
> >>>
> >>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >>> http://www.INE.com
> >>>
> >>> On 05/13/2012 10:05 AM, john matijevic wrote:
> >>>> Good Afternoon Brian,
> >>>>
> >>>> Interesting link, if you have the presentation can you please send my
> >>>> way. It did not mention what type of OpenFlow switch google is using,
> >>>> would be nice to see the details of how this is implemented.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> John
> >>>> On 5/13/12, Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Centralized control, be it PfR or something similar, is the future.
> >>>>> Ironically you probably use a network that has centralized control
> >>>>> without knowing. Here is an interesting article in regards to how
> >>>>> Google is using Openflow:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4371179/Google-describes-its
> >>>>> -OpenFlow-network
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If anyone is interested in the slides from Google's presentation let
> >>>>> me know.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> >>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >>>>> http://www.INE.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 05/12/2012 06:34 PM, Radioactive Frog wrote:
> >>>>>> I was wondering,
> >>>>>> is there anybody using OEF/pfr in production yet?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -frog
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Yuri Bank<yuribank_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> smart thinking.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Having a strong understanding of the core technologies (Layer2,
> >>>>>>> IP, MPLS, OSPF, BGP, etc......) is what will earn you a pass. Not
> >>>>>>> being an expert in some edge-case feature of IOS. And when you
> >>>>>>> think about it, knowing the core technologies is what will carry
> >>>>>>> over with you to new platforms, other vendors equipment, and
> >>>>>>> really benefit you in the long run.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> with that said, oer/pfr is a very interesting topic and fun to
> >>>>>>> work with.
> >>>>>>> But purely on a academic level.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> just my 2 cents
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -yuri
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 8:17 AM, marc abel<marcabel_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I registered. We will see, I may not want to burn a whole day the
> >>>>>>>> day before my travel on a 3 point question.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Jay
> >>>>>>>> McMickle<jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
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