Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?

Please include me as well.
BTW, none of us use PfR in production right?

Regards,
Alexander Halim

On Apr 14, 2012, at 9:03 PM, Bryan Stair <uptown.ccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Please include me on the training
>
> Thx
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Ben Hughes <bhughes_at_imc.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Awesome, thanks Brian! I'm also in agreement it would be great to have a
>> more advanced class. I'd love to review the many pitfalls and quirks you
>> previously mentioned. I've been trying for days to get my routers to force
>> traffic based on DSCP through a particular BR to no avail. It would be
>> great to cover BRs connected with a GRE tunnel etc.
>>
>> Looking forward to it!
>>
>> cheers,
>> Ben.
>>
>> From: Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>
>> Reply-To: Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com<mailto:
>> jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>>
>> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:56:00 -0500
>> To: marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:marcabel_at_gmail.com>>
>> Cc: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>, Joe Sanchez <
>> marco207p_at_gmail.com<mailto:marco207p_at_gmail.com>>, "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:
>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>
>> Subject: Re: OER/PfR at lab exam?
>>
>> Agreed. I'm in!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jay McMickle- CCNP,CCSP,CCDP
>> Sent from iJay
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 9:10 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com<mailto:
>> marcabel_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> One suggestion, let's make this a semi advanced class. There are plenty of
>> resources out there that show how to setup a master and borders. I think
>> this group is clamoring for something a little deeper. Can we make knowing
>> the basics a pre-req?
>> -Marc
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:
>> bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>> I would be more than happy to do an online presentation covering PfR. I'm
>> flying to NYC from Dubai tonight for a private CCIE bootcamp next week and
>> then I have a public bootcamp in Washington DC after that so next weekend
>> I'll be available. So if you all can be flexible we can try for next
>> weekend. We can use our new streaming solution so that it's all recorded
>> in a format that everyone can download and view for the people who can't
>> attend.
>> --
>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**Voice)
>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> http://www.INE.com
>> On 04/12/2012 03:35 AM, Joe Sanchez wrote:
>> How about this.... Someone (expert) on the subject of OER put together a
>> webex and let it roll.. I'm willing to sacrifice a Saturday and a little $
>> to get it rolling.
>> It seems a lot of people are lacking confidence in the OER realm,
>> including me... So what do you say?
>> Regards,
>> Joe Sanchez
>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Imran Ali<immrccie_at_gmail.com<mailto:
>> immrccie_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Brian ,
>> A blog containing the link will be appreciated by all. However if you
>> want to unicast when master piece get ready , please include me in cc.
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Brian Dennis<bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:
>> bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>> Since PfR/OER is relatively new to the lab exam it's not covered as much
>> as a topic like OSPF, MPLS VPNs, etc in most products. That being said
>> I
>> currently spend at least one full day covering it in my 10 Day R&S
>> bootcamps and I cover it in-depth as getting 5 or 6 points on it in the
>> lab
>> exam can be the difference between passing or failing. I start from the
>> basics (i.e. load balancing, PfR static& BGP route manipulation, etc )
>> and
>> work into the more advanced configurations (i.e. link groups, fast mode,
>> jitter probes, delay, PBR based upon DSCP, using PfR for sink holing
>> traffic, etc).
>> To be honest there are a ton of strange, for lack of a better term,
>> quirks
>> with PfR that can cause trouble when someone is just starting out
>> learning
>> PfR. So although it may seem like a good idea for me to just throwing
>> you
>> the labs from my bootcamp, that isn't going to be what you really need
>> to
>> truly understand it. It would be like saying to me "Hey Brian I want to
>> learn MPLS VPNs" and I say "Here are a couple labs. Good luck!". Think
>> that will work? No.
>> Here is just a few example of quirks with PfR: An access-list used
>> with a
>> learn list can not match IP addresses but an access-list with a oer-map
>> should match IP addresses. When using fast mode with a learn list you
>> need
>> to use a prefix list when also matching with an access-list. Or how to
>> configure PfR to do PBR unconditionally without any OOP condition, etc,
>> etc, etc.
>> As I mentioned there are a lot of pitfalls with learning PfR due to the
>> fact it's a newer technology and went through a lot of changes in IOS
>> 12.4T. PfR is an awesome technology and I personally love it but it
>> can be
>> complicated to learn for anyone starting out. I would venture to say
>> that
>> is it one of the most complicated of any technology currently covered in
>> the lab exam. The documentation is 33% bigger than the OSPF
>> documentation
>> and it's only getting larger with QoS being added and PfR domains in
>> future
>> releases.
>> I started a blog series on it (http://goo.gl/yH0ip) but have since
>> decided to just write a whole document covering PfR as the topic is just
>> too big to cover in a few blog posts. I currently have over 100 pages
>> and
>> I'm hoping to release it around the end of the month. If anyone would
>> like
>> a copy, free of charge of course, just let me know.
>> Lastly if anyone wants to come see me cover PfR in person free of charge
>> just contact INE sales and ask to audit one day of my bootcamp. It's
>> normally covered on the 8th day of my bootcamp. I'm in Dubai this week
>> and
>> covered PfR yesterday and have a private bootcamp next week but after
>> that
>> I'm teaching in Washington, DC and Seattle next so feel free to stop by.
>> --
>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/****Voice)
>> bdennis_at_ine.com<mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> http://www.INE.com
>> On 04/11/2012 02:35 AM, Ivan Hrvatska wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I just purchased ciscopress ccie r&s exam cert guide 4th edition,
>> since I had 3rd in which there was nothing about OER and PfR. I must
>> say that the quality of that subject in new edition of the book is
>> really poor. One config example without any explanations and without
>> any topology diagrams. Nothing that can help someone to understand the
>> topic.
>> So, my question is how deep this subject goes in potential task at
>> exam? How much time should I spend on it since it can be very complex
>> feature? The book says:
>> "As you will see as you explore PfR more deeply, it is remarkably
>> powerful. As you would expect, it also has many configuration options.
>> For the CCIE R&S qualifying exam, you should understand the concepts
>> of PfR and how it operates and its core functionality."
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