Re: Slightly OT - Integrity of the CCIE candidate

OK, I have to ask. I started writing this email several times, but gave up.
SInce it came up again, I just have to.

What exactly is the difference between "African" and "Nigerian"? I mean,
Nigeria is a country in Africa, aren't all Nigerians also African? Why are
Nigerians singled out and all other Africans put in the same non-Nigerian
basket? I m*must* be missing something here...

--
Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 (SP R&S)
Senior CCIE Instructor - IPexpert
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 15:11, Charlie::/128 <spycharlies_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> People are often stereotypical based on their lack of exposure. As an
> African and Nigerian, I wouldn t say I am offended by Daniels comments, I
> just think he needs more exposure.
>
>
> Cheers  ;)
>
> Charlie
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:36 PM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Tony:
> >
> > I will be booking again shortly. You know I am legit :-D. Thanks for
> > providing excellent services despite the mentioned set backs.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:54 AM, Mark Szwed <szwarowski_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I think you need to forgive Daniel for his ignorance , may be some
> > African
> > > or Nigerian made him feel stupid someday when they outsmarted him
> .Advice
> > > to Daniel never underestimate Human beings based on colour of their
> skin
> > ,
> > > just know that all minds are equal and if beaten in you games don't
> come
> > > crying to all they are bad they .... .The one closest to you ,brother
> or
> > > sister can shock you with  fraud .Change your perspective of life and
> you
> > > will for sure enjoy looking into people beyond they body deep into
> their
> > > souls .
> > >
> > >
> > > BR
> > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:59 AM, <khan.sirhan_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Please ban Daniel from this group! I can't believe we live with such
> > > > stereotypes in this day and age.
> > > >
> > > > I am South African and proud to be one!
> > > > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >  From: Abiola Jewoola <biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com>
> > > > Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> > > > Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 00:49:00
> > > > To: Daniel Kutchin<daniel_at_kutchin.com>
> > > > Reply-To: Abiola Jewoola <biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com>
> > > > Cc: Tony Schaffran<tschaffran_at_cconlinelabs.com>;
> > ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<
> > > > ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>; Oluseye Abimbolu<seyeabimbolu_at_gmail.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: Slightly OT - Integrity of the CCIE candidate
> > > >
> > > > Hey Daniel
> > > >
> > > > Who the hell do you think you are?
> > > >
> > > > Tony dint say whether it was
> > > > Africans or Nigerians that are the perpetrators.
> > > >
> > > > Nigerians are not fraudsters
> > > > and i take offense with someone who tries to paint us as criminals
> > > >
> > > > There are
> > > > credit cards fraud all over the world and it not limited to certain
> > > people
> > > >
> > > > I
> > > > am sure Tony has benefited from Nigerian students renting racks
> > overtime
> > > > and
> > > > other CCIE rack rental companies
> > > >
> > > > People shouldn't be attack other nationals
> > > > on Group study
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >  From: Oluseye Abimbolu
> > > > <seyeabimbolu_at_gmail.com>
> > > > To: Daniel Kutchin <daniel_at_kutchin.com>
> > > > Cc: Tony
> > > > Schaffran <tschaffran_at_cconlinelabs.com>; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > > Sent:
> > > > Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:26 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Slightly OT - Integrity of the
> > > > CCIE candidate
> > > >
> > > > Daniel that was uncalled for.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Oluseye
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar
> > > > 22, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Daniel Kutchin <daniel_at_kutchin.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > If they are
> > > > Africans or Nigerians, then let me know their names in order to
> > > > > shame them.
> > > > >
> > > > > -
> > > > > Daniel
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> > > > [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Tony
> > > > > Schaffran
> > > > > Sent:
> > > > Donnerstag, 22. Mdrz 2012 19:36
> > > > > To: Joseph L. Brunner; 'Narbik Kocharians';
> > > > 'Manouchehr Omari'
> > > > > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: Slightly OT -
> > > > Integrity of the CCIE candidate
> > > > >
> > > > > This latest incident was a paypal
> > > > transfer.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original
> > > > message-----
> > > > > From: "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
> > > > > To: Tony
> > > > Schaffran <tschaffran_at_cconlinelabs.com>, 'Narbik Kocharians'
> > > > >
> > > > <narbikk_at_gmail.com>, 'Manouchehr Omari' <manouchehr1979_at_gmail.com>
> > > > > Cc:
> > > > "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thu, Mar 22, 2012
> > > > 11:01:24 PDT
> > > > > Subject: RE: Slightly OT - Integrity of the CCIE candidate
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > You should only accept paypal funds transfers from that region of the
> > > > >
> > > > world... let paypal be a proxy for your integrity...
> > > > >
> > > > > Most of my clients
> > > > don't accept cc's from anywhere that doesn't have George
> > > > > Washington, an
> > > > English Queen, or a Teutonic Figure on the money!
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original
> > > > Message-----
> > > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> > > > Behalf Of
> > > > > Tony
> > > > > Schaffran
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:07 AM
> > > > > To:
> > > > 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Manouchehr Omari'
> > > > > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > > >
> > > > Subject: RE: Slightly OT - Integrity of the CCIE candidate
> > > > >
> > > > > Great advise.
> > > > Thank you.
> > > > >
> > > > > We are trying everything we can think of to attempt to avoid
> > > > this, but when
> > > > > you think you have it handled, it comes at you from a
> > > > different angle.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony Schaffran
> > > > > Sr. Network Consultant
> > > > > CCIE #11071
> > > > >
> > > > CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> > > > > NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Narbik Kocharians
> > > > [mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:05 AM
> > > > > To:
> > > > Manouchehr Omari
> > > > > Cc: Tony Schaffran; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > > > Subject: Re:
> > > > Slightly OT - Integrity of the CCIE candidate
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony,
> > > > >
> > > > > For that
> > > > particular region get the money a month before the date, that way
> > > > > you will
> > > > find out if the CC is a good one or a bad one.
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 6:57
> > > > AM, Manouchehr Omari <
> > > > > manouchehr1979_at_gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > That is really
> > > > sad... :(
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 3/22/12, Tony Schaffran <tschaffran_at_cconlinelabs.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > I would just like to get a consensus of our relatively small CCIE
> > > > >
> > > > community.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Feel free to tell me to pack sand and suck it up, but it is
> > > > hard to
> > > > > believe
> > > > > > we are the only ones experiencing this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We have
> > > > been providing rack services for a little more than 10 years now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Up
> > > > until this last year, we have not had to deal with one single fraud
> > > > > case.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe just lucky, but I like to think that is what should be
> expected
> > > > > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > person striving to be a CCIE.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Recently, we have been hit
> > > > with an alarming number of users paying for
> > > > > their
> > > > > > rack time with stolen
> > > > credit cards.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do not want to profile, but this problem appears to be
> > > > only coming
> > > > > > from one region of the world.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is this the integrity of
> > > > the future CCIE's we have to look forward to?
> > > > > > I seriously hope not.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What are your thoughts?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can hit me offline if you want so this
> > > > does not start a firestorm
> > > > > > on groupstudy.  J
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tony Schaffran
> > > > >
> > > > > Sr. Network Consultant
> > > > > > CCIE #11071
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> > > > NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
> > > > > >
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