Re: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM

After working with DRM Lock Lizard (Cisco 360) I would never buy a product that required it. Its such a pain that is just not worth the trouble. Any vendors thinking of using it with their products should reconsider. Any students thinking of buying a product that requires it should reconsider.

Andy

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Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
Wakingwithcisco,
You are right on the money.
You see this is what counts, people's perception, and the rest is for
CCBSAs.
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:05 PM, walkingwithcisco <
walkingwithcisco_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> this will be never ending process until the people change their perceptions
> , my opinion.
> it is actually very simple ...
> i worked for a company and i got my salary end of the month for my effort
> ...
> i worked as a desktop engineer and my salary was 2000 $ per month... then i
> found out about Narbik, IPX and INE ...
> then i bought their products and study ... after 1 year, my salary
> increased double ... let's look as simple maths ...
> let's say I pay 2000 USD for INE product , then i study , and my salary
> increased ... look at your ROI ....
> coz of studying Narbik, IPX, INE > our monthly salary and knowledge are
> increasing day by day. since salary are increased, we bought gadgets and we
> enjoy going holidays to another country, etc ...
> i still cannot understand why people are not willing to buy workbooks which
> can make your salary increase ...
> People see the Narbik, IPX and INE as they are working so hard for us , and
> we should respect them ... like your boss respect you and pay your
> salary at the end of the month ...
> the problem is not on DRM , Locklizard, username and password , the problem
> is "THE PEOPLE" , "THE PERSPECTIVE" ...
> i bought "Narbik, INE and IPX" ... and I am happily studying ... whenever i
> open the workbook of them, i feel myself happy, satisfy, clear and honest
> ...
> So , people need to change their perspective ... and do simple maths like
> calculate your ROI ...
> Just my 2 cents ....
> Please correct me if i'm wrong ...
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Josh Atterbury
> <joshuaatterbury_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Narbik, as much as I enjoyed your R&S course and workbooks I agree with
> > Brian on this one, I bought your Security workbooks to use for study, but
> > after realizing:
> >
> > - Locklizard does not work on Linux natively
> > - No means to open the files on an ipad
> > - Had to have an internet connection to open the file
> >
> > I gave up using them.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Brian McGahan <bmcgahan_at_ine.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Arguing that website login authentication is the same is DRM is just
> > > absurd, and I'm sorry, but using DRM does hinder them from learning.
> > >
> > > Any end user who has ever used *any* DRM solution knows that DRM just
> > ends
> > > up being a hassle at the end of the day, and still doesn't deter people
> > who
> > > really want to copy your books, movies, music, software, etc. The only
> > > thing that DRM does really well is piss off your legitimate customers.
> > >
> > > Does locklizard work on Windows, MacOS, Linux, iPad, iPhone, Kindle,
> > > Android, and Windows Phone, etc.? If I buy electronic content and I'm
> > > limited to using it on one specific platform with one specific viewer
> > with
> > > one specific plugin, then I'm sorry, that's a deal breaker for me as a
> > > customer.
> > >
> > >
> > > Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
> > > bmcgahan_at_INE.com
> > >
> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > http://www.INE.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Brian Dennis
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:03 PM
> > > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM
> > >
> > > Narbik,
> > > It doesn't limit their learning experience by requiring them to login
> to
> > > download their purchases. Just because you're upset at our stance on
> DRM
> > > you shouldn't need to reply in all caps.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> > > bdennis_at_ine.com
> > >
> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > http://www.INE.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On 03/15/2012 03:31 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> > > > Protecting your work does not mean that you are punishing your honest
> > > > paying clients, all they have to do is to click on our book and it
> > > > opens and they can read and access it, how does that hinder them from
> > > learning?
> > > >
> > > > BTW, WHY DO YOU GUYS HAVE A USERNAME AND PASSWORD FOR ACCESSING YOUR
> > > > WORKBOOKS, VIDEOS AND ETC? what is it..... you don't trust people?
> WHY?
> > > > leave it open, who ever paid, will click and access your stuff,
> people
> > > > that have not paid, they will NEVER do that. Correct? Are you NOT
> > > > trying to protect your work?
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com
> > > > <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Our products are up there now and have been for years. It
> doesn't
> > > > mean I'm going to punish honest paying customers by restricting
> > > > their access and forcing them to use a horrible program like
> > > > LockLizard or whatever that new one Cisco uses is called.
> > > >
> > > > I honestly believe that the vast major of people in this world
> are
> > > > honest and I'm not going hinder their learning experience by
> > > > treating them like they are dishonest.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/__Voice)
> > > >
> > > > bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
> > > >
> > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > > http://www.INE.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 03/15/2012 02:53 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So Brian what do you do when someone purchases your book/s
> and
> > > > puts it
> > > > on one of these shared sites? What if the shared site is in
> > > another
> > > > country?
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Paul Negron
> > > > <negron.paul_at_gmail.com <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com>
> > > > <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com
> > >>__>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > GREAT
> > > > --
> > > > Paul Negron
> > > > CCIE# 14856 CCSI# 22752
> > > > Senior Technical Instructor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com <mailto:
> rwest_at_zyedge.com>
> > > > <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>>>
> > > > > Reply-To: Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com
> > > > <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com> <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com
> > > > <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>>>
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:32:18 +0000
> > > > > To: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
> > > > <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com> <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com
> > > > <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>>
> > > > > Cc: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com
> >
> > > > <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>>,
> > > > "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > > > <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > >__>"
> > > > > <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > > > <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > > <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>__>>
> > > >
> > > > > Conversation: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM
> > > > > Subject: Re: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree, they are great.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from handheld
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mar 15, 2012, at 5:26 PM, "Narbik Kocharians"
> > > > <narbikk_at_gmail.com <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> > > > <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> WOW, unbelievable. You guys are GR8.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Brian Dennis
> > > > <bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
> > > > <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> INE does not use any sort of DRM for our PDFs or videos.
> > > When
> > > > you buy the
> > > > >>> product, it's yours to use as you see fit. You want the
> > > play
> > > > the videos on
> > > > >>> your phone, tablet, TV, computer, etc offline or online?
> > > You
> > > > can do it.
> > > > >>> You want to use the workbook PDFs on your phone, tablet,
> > > > notebook, etc
> > > > >>> offline or online? You can do it. You want to print the
> > PDF
> > > > 1000 times?
> > > > >>> Then do it. I'm not going to restrict that.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> You bought it and it's your product. Just because
> someone
> > > else
> > > > isn't
> > > > >>> honest I'm not going to treat you like you're dishonest.
> > > Screw
> > > > DRM.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> --
> > > > >>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210
> > > (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**__Voice)
> > > > >>> bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
> > > > <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
> > > >
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > > >>> http://www.INE.com
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On 03/15/2012 11:33 AM, Paul Negron wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Funny how everyone seems to AGREE on NDA integrity and
> > then
> > > > turns around
> > > > >>>> and
> > > > >>>> shares workbook material that they alone are licensed
> > for.
> > > I
> > > > feel the same
> > > > >>>> way about software nowadays. Offer me the FULL version
> > > with an
> > > > option to
> > > > >>>> buy
> > > > >>>> it if I like it.(That's fair).
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> The Brians, Narbik and every vendor that helps here
> works
> > > very
> > > > hard to
> > > > >>>> give
> > > > >>>> you the very best they have. Everyone should honor
> that.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Unfortunately there will be always be the NOBLE cheater
> > > that
> > > > feels they
> > > > >>>> can
> > > > >>>> just download a song off there buddy's laptop and feel
> > > that it
> > > > is somehow
> > > > >>>> OK. Stealing is Stealing no matter how you spin it.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
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