Re: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM

I appreciate Narbik, INE and IPX , ccbootcamp for their workbooks every
single day ^_^

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Wakingwithcisco,
>
> You are right on the money.
>
> You see this is what counts, people's perception, and the rest is for
> CCBSAs.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:05 PM, walkingwithcisco <
> walkingwithcisco_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> this will be never ending process until the people change their
>> perceptions
>> , my opinion.
>> it is actually very simple ...
>> i worked for a company and i got my salary end of the month for my effort
>> ...
>> i worked as a desktop engineer and my salary was 2000 $ per month... then
>> i
>> found out about Narbik, IPX and INE ...
>> then i bought their products and study ... after 1 year, my salary
>> increased double ... let's look as simple maths ...
>> let's say I pay 2000 USD for INE product , then i study , and my salary
>> increased ... look at your ROI ....
>> coz of studying Narbik, IPX, INE > our monthly salary and knowledge are
>> increasing day by day. since salary are increased, we bought gadgets and
>> we
>> enjoy going holidays to another country, etc ...
>> i still cannot understand why people are not willing to buy workbooks
>> which
>> can make your salary increase ...
>> People see the Narbik, IPX and INE as they are working so hard for us ,
>> and
>> we should respect them ... like your boss respect you and pay your
>> salary at the end of the month ...
>> the problem is not on DRM , Locklizard, username and password , the
>> problem
>> is "THE PEOPLE" , "THE PERSPECTIVE" ...
>> i bought "Narbik, INE and IPX" ... and I am happily studying ... whenever
>> i
>> open the workbook of them, i feel myself happy, satisfy, clear and honest
>> ...
>> So , people need to change their perspective ... and do simple maths like
>> calculate your ROI ...
>> Just my 2 cents ....
>> Please correct me if i'm wrong ...
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Josh Atterbury
>> <joshuaatterbury_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> > Narbik, as much as I enjoyed your R&S course and workbooks I agree with
>> > Brian on this one, I bought your Security workbooks to use for study,
>> but
>> > after realizing:
>> >
>> > - Locklizard does not work on Linux natively
>> > - No means to open the files on an ipad
>> > - Had to have an internet connection to open the file
>> >
>> > I gave up using them.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Brian McGahan <bmcgahan_at_ine.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Arguing that website login authentication is the same is DRM is just
>> > > absurd, and I'm sorry, but using DRM does hinder them from learning.
>> > >
>> > > Any end user who has ever used *any* DRM solution knows that DRM just
>> > ends
>> > > up being a hassle at the end of the day, and still doesn't deter
>> people
>> > who
>> > > really want to copy your books, movies, music, software, etc. The
>> only
>> > > thing that DRM does really well is piss off your legitimate customers.
>> > >
>> > > Does locklizard work on Windows, MacOS, Linux, iPad, iPhone, Kindle,
>> > > Android, and Windows Phone, etc.? If I buy electronic content and I'm
>> > > limited to using it on one specific platform with one specific viewer
>> > with
>> > > one specific plugin, then I'm sorry, that's a deal breaker for me as a
>> > > customer.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
>> > > bmcgahan_at_INE.com
>> > >
>> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> > > http://www.INE.com
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of
>> > > Brian Dennis
>> > > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:03 PM
>> > > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> > > Subject: Re: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM
>> > >
>> > > Narbik,
>> > > It doesn't limit their learning experience by requiring them to login
>> to
>> > > download their purchases. Just because you're upset at our stance on
>> DRM
>> > > you shouldn't need to reply in all caps.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>> > > bdennis_at_ine.com
>> > >
>> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> > > http://www.INE.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 03/15/2012 03:31 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>> > > > Protecting your work does not mean that you are punishing your
>> honest
>> > > > paying clients, all they have to do is to click on our book and it
>> > > > opens and they can read and access it, how does that hinder them
>> from
>> > > learning?
>> > > >
>> > > > BTW, WHY DO YOU GUYS HAVE A USERNAME AND PASSWORD FOR ACCESSING YOUR
>> > > > WORKBOOKS, VIDEOS AND ETC? what is it..... you don't trust people?
>> WHY?
>> > > > leave it open, who ever paid, will click and access your stuff,
>> people
>> > > > that have not paid, they will NEVER do that. Correct? Are you NOT
>> > > > trying to protect your work?
>> > > >
>> > > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com
>> > > > <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Our products are up there now and have been for years. It
>> doesn't
>> > > > mean I'm going to punish honest paying customers by restricting
>> > > > their access and forcing them to use a horrible program like
>> > > > LockLizard or whatever that new one Cisco uses is called.
>> > > >
>> > > > I honestly believe that the vast major of people in this world
>> are
>> > > > honest and I'm not going hinder their learning experience by
>> > > > treating them like they are dishonest.
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/__Voice)
>> > > >
>> > > > bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>> > > >
>> > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> > > > http://www.INE.com
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 03/15/2012 02:53 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > So Brian what do you do when someone purchases your book/s
>> and
>> > > > puts it
>> > > > on one of these shared sites? What if the shared site is in
>> > > another
>> > > > country?
>> > > >
>> > > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Paul Negron
>> > > > <negron.paul_at_gmail.com <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com>
>> > > > <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com
>> > >>__>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > GREAT
>> > > > --
>> > > > Paul Negron
>> > > > CCIE# 14856 CCSI# 22752
>> > > > Senior Technical Instructor
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > From: Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com <mailto:
>> rwest_at_zyedge.com>
>> > > > <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>>>
>> > > > > Reply-To: Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com
>> > > > <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com> <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com
>> > > > <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>>>
>> > > >
>> > > > > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:32:18 +0000
>> > > > > To: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
>> > > > <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com> <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com
>> > > > <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>>
>> > > > > Cc: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:
>> bdennis_at_ine.com>
>> > > > <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>>,
>> > > > "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> > > > <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:
>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> > > >__>"
>> > > > > <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> > > > <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> > > > <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>__>>
>> > > >
>> > > > > Conversation: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM
>> > > > > Subject: Re: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I agree, they are great.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Sent from handheld
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Mar 15, 2012, at 5:26 PM, "Narbik Kocharians"
>> > > > <narbikk_at_gmail.com <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>> > > > <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>>
>> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> WOW, unbelievable. You guys are GR8.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Brian Dennis
>> > > > <bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>> > > > <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>> wrote:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>> INE does not use any sort of DRM for our PDFs or
>> videos.
>> > > When
>> > > > you buy the
>> > > > >>> product, it's yours to use as you see fit. You want
>> the
>> > > play
>> > > > the videos on
>> > > > >>> your phone, tablet, TV, computer, etc offline or
>> online?
>> > > You
>> > > > can do it.
>> > > > >>> You want to use the workbook PDFs on your phone,
>> tablet,
>> > > > notebook, etc
>> > > > >>> offline or online? You can do it. You want to print
>> the
>> > PDF
>> > > > 1000 times?
>> > > > >>> Then do it. I'm not going to restrict that.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> You bought it and it's your product. Just because
>> someone
>> > > else
>> > > > isn't
>> > > > >>> honest I'm not going to treat you like you're
>> dishonest.
>> > > Screw
>> > > > DRM.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> --
>> > > > >>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210
>> > > (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**__Voice)
>> > > > >>> bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>> > > > <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
>> > > >
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> > > > >>> http://www.INE.com
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> On 03/15/2012 11:33 AM, Paul Negron wrote:
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>> Funny how everyone seems to AGREE on NDA integrity and
>> > then
>> > > > turns around
>> > > > >>>> and
>> > > > >>>> shares workbook material that they alone are licensed
>> > for.
>> > > I
>> > > > feel the same
>> > > > >>>> way about software nowadays. Offer me the FULL version
>> > > with an
>> > > > option to
>> > > > >>>> buy
>> > > > >>>> it if I like it.(That's fair).
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> The Brians, Narbik and every vendor that helps here
>> works
>> > > very
>> > > > hard to
>> > > > >>>> give
>> > > > >>>> you the very best they have. Everyone should honor
>> that.
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> Unfortunately there will be always be the NOBLE
>> cheater
>> > > that
>> > > > feels they
>> > > > >>>> can
>> > > > >>>> just download a song off there buddy's laptop and feel
>> > > that it
>> > > > is somehow
>> > > > >>>> OK. Stealing is Stealing no matter how you spin it.
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>
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