Re: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM

It's what in that DRM that is priceless that out weighs any hassels. I get
compliments from not ONLY CCIE candidates. We are talking about people who
REALLY want to know the Cisco Command line inside and out. I'm talking about
custom material that I have used to build material for REAL LIFE STUFF...not
JUST scenario's.

Oh...How many times has Narbik had to change the content in any MAJOR way in
the last 5 years? Hardly ANY. Even when 4.0 came out. It's not based on
Scenario's. It's steeped in VALUABLE insight into behaviors which is key.

I used workbooks at first in the past to obtain my CCIE. I was the lucky guy
that had the lab scenario's change in a MAJOR way when I took my SP CCIE and
only 20% of the scenario's applied. EVERYTHING changed. I was not prepared
because back then NO ONE knew how to tackle it. We did not have forums for
SP track. If I had Narbik's approach, I would have passed easily.

I am knocking INE or IPExpert, they have some pretty quality stuff. There
all pretty good for LAB PREP.

I just told Ryan that I believe Narbik's approach and INE's, IP
Expert's...(etc) approach compliment each other quite well just in case you
thought I was choosing sides.

You CAN't argue with results!

SHOOT! You can do it on your own like I did. It' just a lot tougher!!!!

Paul

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Paul Negron
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> From: "George J. Sanchez" <marco207p_at_gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "George J. Sanchez" <marco207p_at_gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:53:30 -0500
> To: Josh Atterbury <joshuaatterbury_at_gmail.com>
> Cc: Brian McGahan <bmcgahan_at_ine.com>, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com>,
> "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM
> 
> I'd have to say that the password  authentication with Internet access really
> irks me as well. I have to travel a lot and can never open the files , I had
> to create a virtual machine just so I could pause the machine with the PDF
> open to read later without Internet.
> 
> Regards,
>  Joe Sanchez
> 
> On Mar 15, 2012, at 8:13 PM, Josh Atterbury <joshuaatterbury_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Narbik, as much as I enjoyed your R&S course and workbooks I agree with
>> Brian on this one, I bought your Security workbooks to use for study, but
>> after realizing:
>> 
>> - Locklizard does not work on Linux natively
>> - No means to open the files on an ipad
>> - Had to have an internet connection to open the file
>> 
>> I gave up using them.
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Brian McGahan <bmcgahan_at_ine.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Arguing that website login authentication is the same is DRM is just
>>> absurd, and I'm sorry, but using DRM does hinder them from learning.
>>> 
>>> Any end user who has ever used *any* DRM solution knows that DRM just ends
>>> up being a hassle at the end of the day, and still doesn't deter people who
>>> really want to copy your books, movies, music, software, etc.  The only
>>> thing that DRM does really well is piss off your legitimate customers.
>>> 
>>> Does locklizard work on Windows, MacOS, Linux, iPad, iPhone, Kindle,
>>> Android, and Windows Phone, etc.?  If I buy electronic content and I'm
>>> limited to using it on one specific platform with one specific viewer with
>>> one specific plugin, then I'm sorry, that's a deal breaker for me as a
>>> customer.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
>>> bmcgahan_at_INE.com
>>> 
>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>> http://www.INE.com
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Brian Dennis
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:03 PM
>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: Re: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM
>>> 
>>> Narbik,
>>> It doesn't limit their learning experience by requiring them to login to
>>> download their purchases.  Just because you're upset at our stance on DRM
>>> you shouldn't need to reply in all caps.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
>>> bdennis_at_ine.com
>>> 
>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>> http://www.INE.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 03/15/2012 03:31 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>>>> Protecting your work does not mean that you are punishing your honest
>>>> paying clients, all they have to do is to click on our book and it
>>>> opens and they can read and access it, how does that hinder them from
>>> learning?
>>>> 
>>>> BTW, WHY DO YOU GUYS HAVE A USERNAME AND PASSWORD FOR ACCESSING YOUR
>>>> WORKBOOKS, VIDEOS AND ETC? what is it..... you don't trust people? WHY?
>>>> leave it open, who ever paid, will click and access your stuff, people
>>>> that have not paid, they will NEVER do that. Correct? Are you NOT
>>>> trying to protect your work?
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com
>>>> <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>    Our products are up there now and have been for years.  It doesn't
>>>>    mean I'm going to punish honest paying customers by restricting
>>>>    their access and forcing them to use a horrible program like
>>>>    LockLizard or whatever that new one Cisco uses is called.
>>>> 
>>>>    I honestly believe that the vast major of people in this world are
>>>>    honest and I'm not going hinder their learning experience by
>>>>    treating them like they are dishonest.
>>>> 
>>>>    --
>>>>    Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/__Voice)
>>>> 
>>>>    bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>>> 
>>>>    Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>    http://www.INE.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    On 03/15/2012 02:53 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>        So Brian what do you do when someone purchases your book/s and
>>>>        puts it
>>>>        on one of these shared sites? What if the shared site is in
>>> another
>>>>        country?
>>>> 
>>>>        On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Paul Negron
>>>>        <negron.paul_at_gmail.com <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com>
>>>>        <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com>>__>
>>>>        wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>            GREAT
>>>>            --
>>>>            Paul Negron
>>>>            CCIE# 14856 CCSI# 22752
>>>>            Senior Technical Instructor
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> From: Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>
>>>>        <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>>>
>>>>> Reply-To: Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com
>>>>        <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com> <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com
>>>>        <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:32:18 +0000
>>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
>>>>        <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com> <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com
>>>>        <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>>
>>>>> Cc: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>>>        <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>>,
>>>>        "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>>        <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>> __>"
>>>>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>>        <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>> <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>__>>
>>>> 
>>>>> Conversation: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM
>>>>> Subject: Re: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree, they are great.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from handheld
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 5:26 PM, "Narbik Kocharians"
>>>>        <narbikk_at_gmail.com <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>>>        <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> WOW, unbelievable. You guys are GR8.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Brian Dennis
>>>>        <bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>>>        <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> INE does not use any sort of DRM for our PDFs or videos.
>>> When
>>>>            you buy the
>>>>>>> product, it's yours to use as you see fit.  You want the
>>> play
>>>>            the videos on
>>>>>>> your phone, tablet, TV, computer, etc offline or online?
>>> You
>>>>            can do it.
>>>>>>> You want to use the workbook PDFs on your phone, tablet,
>>>>            notebook, etc
>>>>>>> offline or online?  You can do it. You want to print the PDF
>>>>            1000 times?
>>>>>>> Then do it.  I'm not going to restrict that.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You bought it and it's your product.  Just because someone
>>> else
>>>>            isn't
>>>>>>> honest I'm not going to treat you like you're dishonest.
>>> Screw
>>>>            DRM.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210
>>> (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**__Voice)
>>>>>>> bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
>>>>        <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>>> http://www.INE.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 03/15/2012 11:33 AM, Paul Negron wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Funny how everyone seems to AGREE on NDA integrity and then
>>>>            turns around
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> shares workbook material that they alone are licensed for.
>>> I
>>>>            feel the same
>>>>>>>> way about software nowadays. Offer me the FULL version
>>> with an
>>>>            option to
>>>>>>>> buy
>>>>>>>> it if I like it.(That's fair).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The Brians, Narbik and every vendor that helps here works
>>> very
>>>>            hard to
>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>> you the very best they have. Everyone should honor that.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately there will be always be the NOBLE cheater
>>> that
>>>>            feels they
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> just download a song off there buddy's laptop and feel
>>> that it
>>>>            is somehow
>>>>>>>> OK. Stealing is Stealing no matter how you spin it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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