Re: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM

this will be never ending process until the people change their perceptions
, my opinion.
it is actually very simple ...
i worked for a company and i got my salary end of the month for my effort
...
i worked as a desktop engineer and my salary was 2000 $ per month... then i
found out about Narbik, IPX and INE ...
then i bought their products and study ... after 1 year, my salary
increased double ... let's look as simple maths ...
let's say I pay 2000 USD for INE product , then i study , and my salary
increased ... look at your ROI ....
coz of studying Narbik, IPX, INE > our monthly salary and knowledge are
increasing day by day. since salary are increased, we bought gadgets and we
enjoy going holidays to another country, etc ...
i still cannot understand why people are not willing to buy workbooks which
can make your salary increase ...
People see the Narbik, IPX and INE as they are working so hard for us , and
we should respect them ... like your boss respect you and pay your
salary at the end of the month ...
the problem is not on DRM , Locklizard, username and password , the problem
is "THE PEOPLE" , "THE PERSPECTIVE" ...
i bought "Narbik, INE and IPX" ... and I am happily studying ... whenever i
open the workbook of them, i feel myself happy, satisfy, clear and honest
...
So , people need to change their perspective ... and do simple maths like
calculate your ROI ...
Just my 2 cents ....
Please correct me if i'm wrong ...

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Josh Atterbury
<joshuaatterbury_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Narbik, as much as I enjoyed your R&S course and workbooks I agree with
> Brian on this one, I bought your Security workbooks to use for study, but
> after realizing:
>
> - Locklizard does not work on Linux natively
> - No means to open the files on an ipad
> - Had to have an internet connection to open the file
>
> I gave up using them.
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Brian McGahan <bmcgahan_at_ine.com> wrote:
>
> > Arguing that website login authentication is the same is DRM is just
> > absurd, and I'm sorry, but using DRM does hinder them from learning.
> >
> > Any end user who has ever used *any* DRM solution knows that DRM just
> ends
> > up being a hassle at the end of the day, and still doesn't deter people
> who
> > really want to copy your books, movies, music, software, etc. The only
> > thing that DRM does really well is piss off your legitimate customers.
> >
> > Does locklizard work on Windows, MacOS, Linux, iPad, iPhone, Kindle,
> > Android, and Windows Phone, etc.? If I buy electronic content and I'm
> > limited to using it on one specific platform with one specific viewer
> with
> > one specific plugin, then I'm sorry, that's a deal breaker for me as a
> > customer.
> >
> >
> > Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
> > bmcgahan_at_INE.com
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > http://www.INE.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Brian Dennis
> > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:03 PM
> > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM
> >
> > Narbik,
> > It doesn't limit their learning experience by requiring them to login to
> > download their purchases. Just because you're upset at our stance on DRM
> > you shouldn't need to reply in all caps.
> >
> > --
> > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> > bdennis_at_ine.com
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > http://www.INE.com
> >
> >
> > On 03/15/2012 03:31 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> > > Protecting your work does not mean that you are punishing your honest
> > > paying clients, all they have to do is to click on our book and it
> > > opens and they can read and access it, how does that hinder them from
> > learning?
> > >
> > > BTW, WHY DO YOU GUYS HAVE A USERNAME AND PASSWORD FOR ACCESSING YOUR
> > > WORKBOOKS, VIDEOS AND ETC? what is it..... you don't trust people? WHY?
> > > leave it open, who ever paid, will click and access your stuff, people
> > > that have not paid, they will NEVER do that. Correct? Are you NOT
> > > trying to protect your work?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com
> > > <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Our products are up there now and have been for years. It doesn't
> > > mean I'm going to punish honest paying customers by restricting
> > > their access and forcing them to use a horrible program like
> > > LockLizard or whatever that new one Cisco uses is called.
> > >
> > > I honestly believe that the vast major of people in this world are
> > > honest and I'm not going hinder their learning experience by
> > > treating them like they are dishonest.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/__Voice)
> > >
> > > bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
> > >
> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > http://www.INE.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On 03/15/2012 02:53 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> > >
> > > So Brian what do you do when someone purchases your book/s and
> > > puts it
> > > on one of these shared sites? What if the shared site is in
> > another
> > > country?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Paul Negron
> > > <negron.paul_at_gmail.com <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com <mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com
> >>__>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > GREAT
> > > --
> > > Paul Negron
> > > CCIE# 14856 CCSI# 22752
> > > Senior Technical Instructor
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>
> > > <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>>>
> > > > Reply-To: Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com
> > > <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com> <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com
> > > <mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com>>>
> > >
> > > > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:32:18 +0000
> > > > To: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
> > > <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com> <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com
> > > <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>>
> > > > Cc: Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
> > > <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>>,
> > > "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > > <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > >__>"
> > > > <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > > <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>__>>
> > >
> > > > Conversation: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM
> > > > Subject: Re: OT----OT----SPv3 - DRM
> > > >
> > > > I agree, they are great.
> > > >
> > > > Sent from handheld
> > > >
> > > > On Mar 15, 2012, at 5:26 PM, "Narbik Kocharians"
> > > <narbikk_at_gmail.com <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> WOW, unbelievable. You guys are GR8.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Brian Dennis
> > > <bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
> > > <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> INE does not use any sort of DRM for our PDFs or videos.
> > When
> > > you buy the
> > > >>> product, it's yours to use as you see fit. You want the
> > play
> > > the videos on
> > > >>> your phone, tablet, TV, computer, etc offline or online?
> > You
> > > can do it.
> > > >>> You want to use the workbook PDFs on your phone, tablet,
> > > notebook, etc
> > > >>> offline or online? You can do it. You want to print the
> PDF
> > > 1000 times?
> > > >>> Then do it. I'm not going to restrict that.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> You bought it and it's your product. Just because someone
> > else
> > > isn't
> > > >>> honest I'm not going to treat you like you're dishonest.
> > Screw
> > > DRM.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210
> > (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/**__Voice)
> > > >>> bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>
> > > <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com <mailto:bdennis_at_ine.com>>
> > >
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > >>> http://www.INE.com
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 03/15/2012 11:33 AM, Paul Negron wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Funny how everyone seems to AGREE on NDA integrity and
> then
> > > turns around
> > > >>>> and
> > > >>>> shares workbook material that they alone are licensed
> for.
> > I
> > > feel the same
> > > >>>> way about software nowadays. Offer me the FULL version
> > with an
> > > option to
> > > >>>> buy
> > > >>>> it if I like it.(That's fair).
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> The Brians, Narbik and every vendor that helps here works
> > very
> > > hard to
> > > >>>> give
> > > >>>> you the very best they have. Everyone should honor that.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Unfortunately there will be always be the NOBLE cheater
> > that
> > > feels they
> > > >>>> can
> > > >>>> just download a song off there buddy's laptop and feel
> > that it
> > > is somehow
> > > >>>> OK. Stealing is Stealing no matter how you spin it.
> > > >>>>
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