Re: CCIE R&S lab advice about workbooks

Respectfully, I think that your use of MUST is inappropiate,
at least from an RFC point of view. you should have used SHOULD.

You can learn without going with any vendor. All the information is
there at cisco.com for you to take :)
(And here at GS of course, thanks Paul!)

-Carlos

Narbik Kocharians @ 15/03/2012 00:00 -0300 dixit:
> Michael is right on the money.
>
> But you MUST go with the vendor that you feel comfortable with. You MUST
> audit their boot camps before signing up for one, people don't do that, but
> they must realise that they will be interacting with that vendor from time
> to time, they need to ask questions and have the vendor answer their
> questions in a timely manner.
>
> But i do agree going with two vendors, because you get to see it from two
> different perspective.
>
> Can you retake, can you get free updates and etc etc etc etc etc when you
> read their workbook, do you understand their explanations? are they trying
> to teach you the stuff or are they trying to amaze you with some useless
> info? it's all important.
>
> From my perspective they are all GR8. you can not go wrong with any of the
> vendors here, you have Micronics (us), NetMaster, IPexpert, and INE. ALL
> GR8.
>
> BTW, congratulation to my son (Patrick) for passing his CCNA, i am proud of
> him, soon he will be going for CCNP and CCIE. Patrick studied with Anthony
> Sequeira and Todd Lammle, these two instructors did an amazing job. He is
> forever grateful to them.
>
> Good luck.
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Michael Kiefer<mjkiefer_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like sound advice Aaron. So many people are out there splitting
>> hairs about vendors. At the end of the day all vendors teach the same
>> thing. There are no silver bullets except hard work and dedication. That
>> being said, use two vendors or more. You'll get two different perspectives
>> on the same topics.
>>
>> Michael Kiefer
>> CCIE#34420 R&S
>>
>> Sent from my Droid Bionic
>> On Mar 14, 2012 8:08 PM, "Aaron"<aaron1_at_gvtc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Walking away from my second failure on Monday, I agree. Time to go line
>> by
>>> line through the blueprint and setup couple router/switch scenarios to
>> test
>>> out and read along each and every topic , debugs, all of it..... before
>>> trying to build a sky scraper I should probably build a couple sheds
>>> proficiently.....before trying to perform open heart surgery on a human,
>>> perhaps I'll dissect a couple frogs and get real good at the for the next
>>> few months ...just my thoughts.
>>>
>>> Aaron
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Jochen Bartl
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:33 PM
>>> To: Ivan Hrvatska
>>> Cc: Cisco certification
>>> Subject: Re: CCIE R&S lab advice about workbooks
>>>
>>> Hi Ivan,
>>>
>>> I would recommend to create mini labs with just two or three routers for
>>> each topic on the blueprint. Just to figure out how each technology
>> works,
>>> what's required to enable it and how to troubleshoot it.
>>>
>>> My last lab attempt wasn't successful, because I didn't pay enough
>>> attention
>>> to a few topics on the blueprint. I would have done better if I had
>> labbed
>>> them up in more detail earlier, with just a few routers to fully
>> understand
>>> how those features work.
>>>
>>> best regards,
>>>
>>> Jochen
>>>
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