Re: PhD vs CCIE

BTW, so you see that number of CCIEs in the world has nothing to do with
the value of the cert. If it did, PHDs will have no value at all, i bet
there are 10 times more PHDs than CCIEs. A bad point.

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Bill6521 <bil6521_at_netscape.net> wrote:

> Thats a nice question Narbikk. The answer is no but for one reason - PhDs
> are awarded by many universities but CCIEs are only awarded by one company.
> Is the question therefore do we really need so many types of CCIE or could
> we consolidate them into a more generalist CCIE. Doesnt the whole concept
> of UC for example mean for example that we need a more generalist sort of
> CCIE again ie what CCIE discipline doesnt have a high proportion of Routing
> and Switching ? Couldnt we revert back to a three day CCIE where you did
> the core as Routing and Switching and then the other two days in the
> specialist areas - security, wireless, service provider, etc
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> To: Bill6521 <bil6521_at_netscape.net>
> CC: joe <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>; jazzsunn <jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>; ccielab
> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:18
> Subject: Re: PhD vs CCIE
>
> Few years ago we had one or two tracks, these days we have more tracks. Do
> we know the number of people who have their PHDs?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Bill6521 <bil6521_at_netscape.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> Agreed and why do you think there are now 26,000 CCIEs against 10,000 a
>> few
>> years ago - even certification is a money making business - I estimated I
>> spent around $30000 on getting my CCIE - between courses , labs, exams,
>> bootcamps , time of work - and I didnt pass it first time. I think there
>> is
>> only a 20% first time pass rate now and that means a lot of money to
>> someone.
>>
>> And by the way I dont mind people making money out of me - even on
>> certification as long as I get value for money.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joseph L. Brunner <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
>> To: Bill6521 <bil6521_at_netscape.net>; jazzsunn <jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>;
>> ccielab
>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 17:34
>> Subject: RE: PhD vs CCIE
>>
>>
>>
>> Ib d bet dollars to cents 10,000+ of the 17,320 R/S guys are emeritusb&
>>
>> If Cisco didnb t do that the cert would look like it isnb t as valuable as
>> it was in 1999 and they couldnb t make as much money selling training for
>> it
>>
>>
>> From: Bill6521 [mailto:bil6521_at_netscape.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 11:29 AM
>> To: Joseph L. Brunner; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: PhD vs CCIE
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Joseph,
>>
>>
>>
>> Read my article in CCIE Flyer. Nor did they break it down by age or sex or
>> nationality.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joseph L. Brunner <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
>> To: jazzsunn <jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>; Bill6521 <bil6521_at_netscape.net>;
>> ccielab
>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 17:22
>> Subject: RE: PhD vs CCIE
>>
>> Notice they don't break down how many "Emeritus"
>>
>> LOL
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jazzsunn_at_gmail.com [mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 11:15 AM
>> To: Joseph L. Brunner; Bill6521; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: PhD vs CCIE
>>
>> According to LTRCC-3000.pdf (updated 1/9/12, available on
>> ciscolivevirtual.com),
>> there are 26,634 currently certified CCIEs.
>> RS - 17,320
>> Sec - 3794
>> SP - 2885
>> Voice - 2291
>> SAN - 170
>> Wireless - 93
>> CCDE - 63
>> SP Ops - 11
>> CCAr - 7
>>
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
>> Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 16:07:02
>> To: Bill6521<bil6521_at_netscape.net>;
>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Reply-To: "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
>> Subject: RE: PhD vs CCIE
>>
>> No there are far less CCIE's than that - many older lions are retiring
>> from
>> the
>> business.
>>
>> Of that number how many are current on today's technologies?
>>
>> Don't sell yourself short - I had a job req out at a client in 2009 for a
>> CCIE
>> at $225,000 or so - the first 50 guys we interviewed could not explain how
>> DHCP
>> worked :) (DoRa for those of you that know)
>>
>> "how many good ones"
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Bill6521
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 10:57 AM
>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Fwd: PhD vs CCIE
>>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> I think we are all missing the point here the discussion from my point of
>> view
>> is "employability" and here is my perspective. Today I understand there
>> are
>> over
>> 30,000 CCIEs thats three times what there was a few years ago and even
>> 7,000 more then when I got my number. Gone are the days when employers
>> would
>> be
>> lucky about getting one CCIE and we were literally regarded as "network
>> gods".
>> We are competing against "each other" and in a highly competitive world
>> - even as CCIEs. In that competitive world you have to give yourself an
>> "edge"
>> a something extra - what I would suggest is dont just bank on getting
>> employed
>> because you are a CCIE - and dont forget some off us are also getting
>> employed
>> because we have track records as well as being CCIEs. Most employment
>> agents/HR
>> departments do a word trawl in the first instance and the more edge you
>> have
>> the
>> more likely you have to move to the next stage of interview etc thats what
>> these
>> certifications do for you - and dont also be a one trick pony
>> - consider doing a JNCIE or HP Master ASE as well as another CCIE.
>>
>>
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