Re: PhD vs CCIE

Damn, dude! I can't even read that! I learned in HS not to write one
long, blinding paragraph. J/k just messing with ya. ;)

I'm done with this thread.
On Mar 6, 2012 11:26 AM, "Bill6521" <bil6521_at_netscape.net> wrote:

> When I did my CCIE R and S there were I believe around 10,000 so that tells
> the story. Guys do not write off Project Management but heres a little
> word to
> think of - Technical Project Management. I am first and foremost an
> engineer
> in every sense of the word but like many of you I no longer wanted to work
> for
> some Project Managers (not all were bad by the way but a lot of them were)
> so
> I use my CCIE inconjunction with my other certifications - included in
> which
> are some Project Management ones to Technically Manage Projects - the
> difference is to me because I keep my technical certifications and skills
> current is that network engineers cannot bullshit their way past me - I
> know
> how long it takes to configure a router - the normal PM doesnt. I know the
> difference between configuring OSPF and static routing and believe you me
> there are many network engineers out there as bad as the PMs they complain
> about. The truth is have a look at some jobsites and see how many PM roles
> there are against how many CCIE ones. And think ageism - no matter what HR
> departments and companies say - its out there and companies will hire a
> sixty
> year old PM (experienced) against a sixty year old CCIE (too old to keep
> their
> skills up to date, to old to work with an IT team, too old and too set in
> their ways). How many 60-65 year old CCIEs can you name still really
> employed
> as CCIEs (thats another discussion by the way). If we think most existing
> PMs
> are so bad then lets replace them not complain about them.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jazzsunn <jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>
> To: Joseph L. Brunner <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>; Bill6521
> <bil6521_at_netscape.net>; ccielab <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 17:15
> Subject: Re: PhD vs CCIE
>
>
> According to LTRCC-3000.pdf (updated 1/9/12, available on
> ciscolivevirtual.com),
> here are 26,634 currently certified CCIEs.
> S - 17,320
> ec - 3794
> P - 2885
> oice - 2291
> AN - 170
> ireless - 93
> CDE - 63
> P Ops - 11
> CAr - 7
>
> ent via BlackBerry
> -----Original Message-----
> rom: "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
> ender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> ate: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 16:07:02
> o: Bill6521<bil6521_at_netscape.net>;
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> eply-To: "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
> ubject: RE: PhD vs CCIE
> No there are far less CCIE's than that - many older lions are retiring from
> the
> usiness.
> Of that number how many are current on today's technologies?
> Don't sell yourself short - I had a job req out at a client in 2009 for a
> CCIE
> t $225,000 or so - the first 50 guys we interviewed could not explain how
> DHCP
> orked :) (DoRa for those of you that know)
> "how many good ones"
> -----Original Message-----
> rom: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Bill6521
> ent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 10:57 AM
> o: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> ubject: Fwd: PhD vs CCIE
> Hi Guys,
> I think we are all missing the point here the discussion from my point of
> view
> s "employability" and here is my perspective. Today I understand there are
> over
> 0,000 CCIEs thats three times what there was a few years ago and even
> ,000 more then when I got my number. Gone are the days when employers
> would be
> ucky about getting one CCIE and we were literally regarded as "network
> gods".
> e are competing against "each other" and in a highly competitive world
> even as CCIEs. In that competitive world you have to give yourself an
> "edge"
> something extra - what I would suggest is dont just bank on getting
> employed
> ecause you are a CCIE - and dont forget some off us are also getting
> employed
> ecause we have track records as well as being CCIEs. Most employment
> agents/HR
> epartments do a word trawl in the first instance and the more edge you have
> the
> ore likely you have to move to the next stage of interview etc thats what
> these
> ertifications do for you - and dont also be a one trick pony
> consider doing a JNCIE or HP Master ASE as well as another CCIE.
>
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