RE: PhD vs CCIE

I'd bet dollars to cents 10,000+ of the 17,320 R/S guys are emeritus...

If Cisco didn't do that the cert would look like it isn't as valuable as it
was in 1999 and they couldn't make as much money selling training for it

From: Bill6521 [mailto:bil6521_at_netscape.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 11:29 AM
To: Joseph L. Brunner; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: PhD vs CCIE

Hi Joseph,

Read my article in CCIE Flyer. Nor did they break it down by age or sex or
nationality.

Regards,

Bill

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Subject: RE: PhD vs CCIE

Notice they don't break down how many "Emeritus"

LOL

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Subject: Re: PhD vs CCIE

According to LTRCC-3000.pdf (updated 1/9/12, available on
ciscolivevirtual.com),

there are 26,634 currently certified CCIEs.

RS - 17,320

Sec - 3794

SP - 2885

Voice - 2291

SAN - 170

Wireless - 93

CCDE - 63

SP Ops - 11

CCAr - 7

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Subject: RE: PhD vs CCIE

No there are far less CCIE's than that - many older lions are retiring from
the

business.

Of that number how many are current on today's technologies?

Don't sell yourself short - I had a job req out at a client in 2009 for a
CCIE

at $225,000 or so - the first 50 guys we interviewed could not explain how
DHCP

worked :) (DoRa for those of you that know)

"how many good ones"

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Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 10:57 AM

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Subject: Fwd: PhD vs CCIE

Hi Guys,

I think we are all missing the point here the discussion from my point of
view

is "employability" and here is my perspective. Today I understand there are
over

30,000 CCIEs thats three times what there was a few years ago and even

7,000 more then when I got my number. Gone are the days when employers would
be

lucky about getting one CCIE and we were literally regarded as "network
gods".

We are competing against "each other" and in a highly competitive world

- even as CCIEs. In that competitive world you have to give yourself an
"edge"

a something extra - what I would suggest is dont just bank on getting
employed

because you are a CCIE - and dont forget some off us are also getting
employed

because we have track records as well as being CCIEs. Most employment
agents/HR

departments do a word trawl in the first instance and the more edge you have
the

more likely you have to move to the next stage of interview etc thats what
these

certifications do for you - and dont also be a one trick pony

- consider doing a JNCIE or HP Master ASE as well as another CCIE.

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Received on Tue Mar 06 2012 - 16:32:44 ART