Re: CCO Downloads.

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On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Ronnie Angello <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Also, why would someone position 3750G to support wire-speed iSCSI storage
> in the data center in the first place? It's not a switch architecture
> that's recommended for that application. The HP switch may outperform it
> and may be cheaper, and that's great, but it was a bad design to begin
> with...
> On Feb 25, 2012 10:34 AM, "Ronnie Angello" <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > FYI - Nexus 7000 supports 768 line rate (non-blocking) 10GE ports in a
> > single chassis w/ 7018 and Fab 2 / F2 line cards...
> > On Feb 24, 2012 11:31 PM, "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> http://www.crn.com/news/networking/231001334/hp-touts-share-gains-in-networki
> >> ng-war-with-cisco.htm<
> http://www.crn.com/news/networking/231001334/hp-touts-share-gains-in-networking-war-with-cisco.htm
> >
> >>
> >> Hp Procurve Junk huh?
> >>
> >> Did you know the Procurve 3500YL's back plane is FASTER than the best
> >> Cisco
> >> 3750-x's for < the price??? (You do backups and iSCSI, right?) 173Gbps
> >> back
> >> plane for the procurve vs 160Gbps for the best Cisco 3750x...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.hp.com/rnd/pdfs/ProCurve_Switch_5400zl_Series_Reviewers_Guide.pdf
> >>
> >>
> >> At even higher speeds, Brocade products are the only ones we use for
> 10Gbe
> >> iSCSI (resold as the Dell 8024) want to know why? Cause the Cisco's have
> >> tiny
> >> shallow asics that drop frames during a vmotion. Perhaps you would like
> >> me to
> >> show you a vmotion on a Nexus 5020 and a Dell (Brocade) 8024 side by
> side?
> >> Guess which one wins every time, given same server and SAN hardware?
> Guess
> >> which switch has faster read/write to 10Gbpe ISCSI attached san luns
> >> (again
> >> given same server and SAN hardware)?
> >>
> >> Also on the topic of storage, we got a Fortune 1000 company to swap out
> >> his
> >> 3750G's for HP 3500YL's. (ProCurve Switch 3500yl-48G-PWR Intelligent
> Edge
> >> (J8693A)
> >>
> >> The CIO and his team were experiencing data loss and sluggish
> performance
> >> doing Citrix Xenserver Xenmotion's as well as Xen PVS desktop
> >> provisioning.
> >> His Citrix consultants were lost, so I simply looked at the port
> counters
> >> ---
> >> millions of DROPs!!! The 3750G has crap ASICs and simply can't handle
> wire
> >> speed storage. So why pay $5,000 to $15,000 for a switch that can't
> handle
> >> basic 1Gbps iSCSI?
> >>
> >> His comment to me was "those HP's were the best $5,000 we ever spent".
> >> Even
> >> his users were shocked how much the network improved. They were a loyal
> >> Cisco
> >> customer for years until I showed them the difference a pair of 3500yl's
> >> made...
> >>
> >> Now from a high performance, low latency switch standpoint (and this
> >> market is
> >> redhot right now...)
> >>
> >> How about a tour of Equinix or Savvis next time you're in New York or
> >> Chicago?
> >> Guess what? Those are 2 most expensive serious datacenters on the
> PLANET,
> >> Full
> >> of companies I can't even name here - but if you want the tour I'll be
> >> happy
> >> to get you sign an NDA with our account rep and check it out in
> person...
> >>
> >> You'll see an Arista, or Blade Networks (BNT), or Juniper Switch about
> >> every
> >> time you see a Cisco.... How much you want to bet on this fact?
> >>
> >> Are you familiar with Arista? Their 7500 BLOWS ANY other ETHERNET
> SWITCH
> >> out
> >> of the water on the planet.
> >>
> >> http://bradreese.com/blog/arista-4-20-2010.htm
> >>
> >> And yeah, I know Brad Reese can be a jerk against Cisco - but I'm saying
> >> man
> >> Cisco is known as the "slow steady reliable", but for HPC Cisco is
> D.O.A.
> >> You
> >> do know why the Nexus Line cards have One Yellow interface every 4
> ports,
> >> right? (4 interfaces share 10Gbps bandwidth). Nexus is a BLOCKING Switch
> >> architecture - meaning the backplane/line card design does not allow
> >> wirespeed
> >> on every interface. Would you like to see a datacenter where I can show
> >> you a
> >> Nexus Switch where there is only 1 thing plugged in every 4 ports? Sad,
> >> huh?
> >> the Arista is a fully NON-BLOCKING Switch. So is the Juniper EX 8200
> >> series.
> >> Look at those numbers on the last link... the Cisco Nexus 7010 has the
> >> FEWEST
> >> full rate 10Gbe ports of any major switch vendor. Sorry man - that's
> >> pretty
> >> sad. Clearly, the Nexus is a generation behind everyone else...
> >>
> >> I "grew up with Cisco". I got certified on Cisco. But they need to
> really
> >> do a
> >> lot more to make their products a better deal to people spending over
> >> $5,000
> >> per switch. Period.
> >>
> >> I'm not even going to comment on the Lync vs Call Manager war - but
> let's
> >> say
> >> the cheapest one standing will be around in 5 years - IT costs are
> >> dropping
> >> very quickly.
> >>
> >> -Joe
> >>
> >> From: Jonathan Greenwood II [mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:48 PM
> >> To: Joseph L. Brunner
> >> Cc: Radioactive Frog; JB Poplawski; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com; Travis Niedens;
> >> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
> >>
> >> Hey Joe,
> >>
> >> I guess our facts of life are different, but the process to get
> >> re-furbished
> >> gear back on smartnet is not like it use to be and the premium you pay
> >> might
> >> as well buy it legitmately. Just went through this with a customer who
> >> exclusively used NHR in the past until the recent policy change enforced
> >> by
> >> Cisco for CCO downloads/hardware replacements via smartnet contracts.
> >>
> >> For small mom and pop's or fortune1000/2000's as you like to classify
> that
> >> don't run advanced features like voice/video/security such as dot1x
> >> posture
> >> checking down to the access layer you're right, they can go with a
> switch
> >> from
> >> Walmart to do that. Most organizations that have that setup are
> actually
> >> rip/replacing that crap because they want the security/collaboration and
> >> feature sets of an advanced network. With all the rampant hacking
> >> security is
> >> hot right now in most organizaitons and I'm seeing NAC solutions flying
> >> out
> >> the door which requires an access switch capable of some advanced
> features
> >> from any vendor. Those procurves/dells are being given away because
> >> they're
> >> dead weight :) But when I speak of market share I speak globally not
> just
> >> here in the US so your #'s are way off buddy.
> >>
> >> Brocade is on the verge of being sold or spinning of their ethernet side
> >> of
> >> house because they're selling their crap so cheap just to get a foot in
> >> the
> >> door that the low margins are actually hurting them. HP is doing the
> same
> >> with their gear as well and not making any money off of it at the end of
> >> the
> >> day. Juniper is making some strides on the ethernet side at the cost of
> >> loosing focus on their firewalls/SP routing domain that they've always
> >> done
> >> well with which is not good.
> >>
> >> I follow the trends pretty well and it's definitely not tight for Cisco,
> >> but
> >> more so for HP if you caught the latest news from Meg Whitman. Here are
> >> few
> >> recent articles and one from the biggest Cisco basher I know "Jim Duffy"
> >> from
> >> network world so I can point to something who is definitely not
> pro-Cisco:
> >>
> >> IDC's Worldwide Quarterly Enterprise Networks Tracker Shows Record
> >> Ethernet
> >> Switch Results; Router Market Declines
> >> http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23338212
> >>
> >> Pay specific attention to this line in the article:
> >>
> >> From a vendor perspective, Cisco's Ethernet switch (Layer 2/3) market
> >> share in
> >> 4Q11 came in at 64.3%, reflecting a significant improvement from earlier
> >> in
> >> the year. On a relative basis, Cisco continues to be strong in the 10GbE
> >> segment where it now has 69.5% of the market in 4Q11.
> >>
> >> Whitman gives HP harsh report card, outlines recovery plan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022312-whitman-gives-hp-harsh-report-25
> >> 6474.html<
> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022312-whitman-gives-hp-harsh-report-256474.html
> >
> >>
> >> Cisco Q4 Ethernet switch revenue up, HP's down
> >>
> >>
> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022412-cisco-ethernet-switch-256544.htm
> >> l?hpg1=bn
> >>
> >> What info are you referring to so I can reference???
> >> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Joseph L. Brunner
> >> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com<mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>> wrote:
> >> Johnathan,
> >>
> >> In the Lan switching market HP procurve alone has a 30% market share -
> so
> >> check your facts again... you're also forgetting that most CIO/CTO's
> >> would not
> >> answer a survey but quietly buy HP procurve and now many times my
> biggest
> >> Fortune 1000 Clients are getting Free Dell Switches with their server
> >> purchases as a sweetner... Next up - let's talk about the hundreds of
> >> Fortune
> >> 2000's (I have several clients in this group also) that ONLY purchase
> >> Cisco
> >> from Network Hardware Resellers, Myriad Supply, Ebay, etc.
> >>
> >> In fact the ONLY thing my customers seem to buy from Cisco is Smartnet
> on
> >> old
> >> Cisco gear (cause ASA's and 3750's from 2008 still work) and Call
> Manager
> >> Licensing. We even got a Nexus 7010 from a reseller recently - so trust
> me
> >> it's a tight time for Cisco - as people like google and facebook give
> away
> >> free "IT" CIO's and CTO's think this means ALL IT should cost less.
> >>
> >> Sorry man. Fact of life
> >>
> >> From: Jonathan Greenwood II
> >> [mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com<mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com>]
> >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:54 PM
> >> To: Radioactive Frog
> >> Cc: Joseph L. Brunner; JB Poplawski;
> >> jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>; Travis Niedens;
> >> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >> Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
> >>
> >>
> >> I doubt it with their weak polycom handsets and no support for
> >> acd/contactcenters. Not to mention the hardware required for the
> >> infrastructure is a bit ridiculous and honestly a turnoff. They have
> >> years to
> >> go before they even create a reasonable footprint to measure for market
> >> share.
> >>
> >> I keep hearing all of this Cisco market share eroding and the question I
> >> have
> >> is to who??? HP 9% Juniper 2% Brocade 3% anybody else less than 1%.
> >>
> >> I applaud Cisco for protecting their brand and not allowing it free for
> >> all,
> >> because it makes the training/certification much more valuable. All the
> >> other
> >> vendors have the same approach, so what's the big deal???
> >> On Feb 24, 2012 6:11 PM, "Radioactive Frog"
> >> <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com<mailto:pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> Watch out the Microsoft Lync in the next few years. It will wipe out
> >> Cisco,s UC market.
> >>
> >> Lync now supports multitenancy, goes to Service providers Domain.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Friday, February 24, 2012, Travis Niedens wrote:
> >>
> >> > Way too much land. I was in buildings J/K when they were supposed to
> >> build
> >> > more before the layoff in 2001.
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
> >> <javascript:;>
> >> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> >> ><javascript:;>]
> >> > On Behalf Of
> >> > Joseph L. Brunner
> >> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:05 PM
> >> > To: JB Poplawski; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>
> >> <javascript:;>
> >> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >> <javascript:;>
> >> > Subject: RE: CCO Downloads.
> >> >
> >> > Yes - I also have a sick smartnet with many asa's, 3800's, 6509's, etc
> >> but
> >> > I
> >> > was not able to download software for the 2651XM!
> >> >
> >> > HAHAH
> >> >
> >> > I guess Cisco has 2 choices
> >> >
> >> > 1. Sell all that land they acquired under John Morgidge in San Jose 2.
> >> Lock
> >> > down CCO in hopes people would buy more Smartnet contracts...
> >> >
> >> > Guess that's all you can do when your eroding market share year after
> >> year
> >> > in the Enterprise Switch, Core Router and Firewall Market, huh?
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
> >> <javascript:;>
> >> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> >> ><javascript:;>]
> >> > On Behalf Of JB
> >> > Poplawski
> >> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:06 PM
> >> > To: jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com> <javascript:;>
> >> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >> <javascript:;>
> >> > Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
> >> >
> >> > I have 2600's in a lab, end of life routers. GNS3? What gives? I
> can
> >> > download 65XX, 3750X, 28,29, 18XX.
> >> >
> >> > Kind of frustrating that I'm studying for a lab (Third attempt) and
> >> running
> >> > into issues of downloading IOS.
> >> > JB
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:04 PM,
> >> <jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com> <javascript:;>>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > It must have finally caught up to you, but Cisco requires that you
> >> > > have a service agreement for the device you're wanting to download
> >> > software for.
> >> > > Sent via BlackBerry
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: JB Poplawski <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com<mailto:
> >> jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com>
> >> <javascript:;>>
> >> > > Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
> >> <javascript:;>
> >> > > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:55:59
> >> > > To: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >> <javascript:;>>
> >> > > Reply-To: JB Poplawski
> >> <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com<mailto:jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com> <javascript:;>>
> >> > > Subject: CCO Downloads.
> >> > >
> >> > > Anyone having download issues of images? I used to be able to
> >> > > download most anything, now it seems they bolted down the hatches.
> >> > > Makes life hard for my 3600 lab.
> >> > >
> >> > > Anyone?
> >> > > JB
> >> > >
> >> > >
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