RE: CCO Downloads.

Also, why would someone position 3750G to support wire-speed iSCSI storage
in the data center in the first place? It's not a switch architecture
that's recommended for that application. The HP switch may outperform it
and may be cheaper, and that's great, but it was a bad design to begin
with...
On Feb 25, 2012 10:34 AM, "Ronnie Angello" <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> FYI - Nexus 7000 supports 768 line rate (non-blocking) 10GE ports in a
> single chassis w/ 7018 and Fab 2 / F2 line cards...
> On Feb 24, 2012 11:31 PM, "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.crn.com/news/networking/231001334/hp-touts-share-gains-in-networki
>> ng-war-with-cisco.htm<http://www.crn.com/news/networking/231001334/hp-touts-share-gains-in-networking-war-with-cisco.htm>
>>
>> Hp Procurve Junk huh?
>>
>> Did you know the Procurve 3500YL's back plane is FASTER than the best
>> Cisco
>> 3750-x's for < the price??? (You do backups and iSCSI, right?) 173Gbps
>> back
>> plane for the procurve vs 160Gbps for the best Cisco 3750x...
>>
>>
>> http://www.hp.com/rnd/pdfs/ProCurve_Switch_5400zl_Series_Reviewers_Guide.pdf
>>
>>
>> At even higher speeds, Brocade products are the only ones we use for 10Gbe
>> iSCSI (resold as the Dell 8024) want to know why? Cause the Cisco's have
>> tiny
>> shallow asics that drop frames during a vmotion. Perhaps you would like
>> me to
>> show you a vmotion on a Nexus 5020 and a Dell (Brocade) 8024 side by side?
>> Guess which one wins every time, given same server and SAN hardware? Guess
>> which switch has faster read/write to 10Gbpe ISCSI attached san luns
>> (again
>> given same server and SAN hardware)?
>>
>> Also on the topic of storage, we got a Fortune 1000 company to swap out
>> his
>> 3750G's for HP 3500YL's. (ProCurve Switch 3500yl-48G-PWR Intelligent Edge
>> (J8693A)
>>
>> The CIO and his team were experiencing data loss and sluggish performance
>> doing Citrix Xenserver Xenmotion's as well as Xen PVS desktop
>> provisioning.
>> His Citrix consultants were lost, so I simply looked at the port counters
>> ---
>> millions of DROPs!!! The 3750G has crap ASICs and simply can't handle wire
>> speed storage. So why pay $5,000 to $15,000 for a switch that can't handle
>> basic 1Gbps iSCSI?
>>
>> His comment to me was "those HP's were the best $5,000 we ever spent".
>> Even
>> his users were shocked how much the network improved. They were a loyal
>> Cisco
>> customer for years until I showed them the difference a pair of 3500yl's
>> made...
>>
>> Now from a high performance, low latency switch standpoint (and this
>> market is
>> redhot right now...)
>>
>> How about a tour of Equinix or Savvis next time you're in New York or
>> Chicago?
>> Guess what? Those are 2 most expensive serious datacenters on the PLANET,
>> Full
>> of companies I can't even name here - but if you want the tour I'll be
>> happy
>> to get you sign an NDA with our account rep and check it out in person...
>>
>> You'll see an Arista, or Blade Networks (BNT), or Juniper Switch about
>> every
>> time you see a Cisco.... How much you want to bet on this fact?
>>
>> Are you familiar with Arista? Their 7500 BLOWS ANY other ETHERNET SWITCH
>> out
>> of the water on the planet.
>>
>> http://bradreese.com/blog/arista-4-20-2010.htm
>>
>> And yeah, I know Brad Reese can be a jerk against Cisco - but I'm saying
>> man
>> Cisco is known as the "slow steady reliable", but for HPC Cisco is D.O.A.
>> You
>> do know why the Nexus Line cards have One Yellow interface every 4 ports,
>> right? (4 interfaces share 10Gbps bandwidth). Nexus is a BLOCKING Switch
>> architecture - meaning the backplane/line card design does not allow
>> wirespeed
>> on every interface. Would you like to see a datacenter where I can show
>> you a
>> Nexus Switch where there is only 1 thing plugged in every 4 ports? Sad,
>> huh?
>> the Arista is a fully NON-BLOCKING Switch. So is the Juniper EX 8200
>> series.
>> Look at those numbers on the last link... the Cisco Nexus 7010 has the
>> FEWEST
>> full rate 10Gbe ports of any major switch vendor. Sorry man - that's
>> pretty
>> sad. Clearly, the Nexus is a generation behind everyone else...
>>
>> I "grew up with Cisco". I got certified on Cisco. But they need to really
>> do a
>> lot more to make their products a better deal to people spending over
>> $5,000
>> per switch. Period.
>>
>> I'm not even going to comment on the Lync vs Call Manager war - but let's
>> say
>> the cheapest one standing will be around in 5 years - IT costs are
>> dropping
>> very quickly.
>>
>> -Joe
>>
>> From: Jonathan Greenwood II [mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:48 PM
>> To: Joseph L. Brunner
>> Cc: Radioactive Frog; JB Poplawski; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com; Travis Niedens;
>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
>>
>> Hey Joe,
>>
>> I guess our facts of life are different, but the process to get
>> re-furbished
>> gear back on smartnet is not like it use to be and the premium you pay
>> might
>> as well buy it legitmately. Just went through this with a customer who
>> exclusively used NHR in the past until the recent policy change enforced
>> by
>> Cisco for CCO downloads/hardware replacements via smartnet contracts.
>>
>> For small mom and pop's or fortune1000/2000's as you like to classify that
>> don't run advanced features like voice/video/security such as dot1x
>> posture
>> checking down to the access layer you're right, they can go with a switch
>> from
>> Walmart to do that. Most organizations that have that setup are actually
>> rip/replacing that crap because they want the security/collaboration and
>> feature sets of an advanced network. With all the rampant hacking
>> security is
>> hot right now in most organizaitons and I'm seeing NAC solutions flying
>> out
>> the door which requires an access switch capable of some advanced features
>> from any vendor. Those procurves/dells are being given away because
>> they're
>> dead weight :) But when I speak of market share I speak globally not just
>> here in the US so your #'s are way off buddy.
>>
>> Brocade is on the verge of being sold or spinning of their ethernet side
>> of
>> house because they're selling their crap so cheap just to get a foot in
>> the
>> door that the low margins are actually hurting them. HP is doing the same
>> with their gear as well and not making any money off of it at the end of
>> the
>> day. Juniper is making some strides on the ethernet side at the cost of
>> loosing focus on their firewalls/SP routing domain that they've always
>> done
>> well with which is not good.
>>
>> I follow the trends pretty well and it's definitely not tight for Cisco,
>> but
>> more so for HP if you caught the latest news from Meg Whitman. Here are
>> few
>> recent articles and one from the biggest Cisco basher I know "Jim Duffy"
>> from
>> network world so I can point to something who is definitely not pro-Cisco:
>>
>> IDC's Worldwide Quarterly Enterprise Networks Tracker Shows Record
>> Ethernet
>> Switch Results; Router Market Declines
>> http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23338212
>>
>> Pay specific attention to this line in the article:
>>
>> From a vendor perspective, Cisco's Ethernet switch (Layer 2/3) market
>> share in
>> 4Q11 came in at 64.3%, reflecting a significant improvement from earlier
>> in
>> the year. On a relative basis, Cisco continues to be strong in the 10GbE
>> segment where it now has 69.5% of the market in 4Q11.
>>
>> Whitman gives HP harsh report card, outlines recovery plan
>>
>>
>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022312-whitman-gives-hp-harsh-report-25
>> 6474.html<http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022312-whitman-gives-hp-harsh-report-256474.html>
>>
>> Cisco Q4 Ethernet switch revenue up, HP's down
>>
>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022412-cisco-ethernet-switch-256544.htm
>> l?hpg1=bn
>>
>> What info are you referring to so I can reference???
>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Joseph L. Brunner
>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com<mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>> wrote:
>> Johnathan,
>>
>> In the Lan switching market HP procurve alone has a 30% market share - so
>> check your facts again... you're also forgetting that most CIO/CTO's
>> would not
>> answer a survey but quietly buy HP procurve and now many times my biggest
>> Fortune 1000 Clients are getting Free Dell Switches with their server
>> purchases as a sweetner... Next up - let's talk about the hundreds of
>> Fortune
>> 2000's (I have several clients in this group also) that ONLY purchase
>> Cisco
>> from Network Hardware Resellers, Myriad Supply, Ebay, etc.
>>
>> In fact the ONLY thing my customers seem to buy from Cisco is Smartnet on
>> old
>> Cisco gear (cause ASA's and 3750's from 2008 still work) and Call Manager
>> Licensing. We even got a Nexus 7010 from a reseller recently - so trust me
>> it's a tight time for Cisco - as people like google and facebook give away
>> free "IT" CIO's and CTO's think this means ALL IT should cost less.
>>
>> Sorry man. Fact of life
>>
>> From: Jonathan Greenwood II
>> [mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com<mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com>]
>> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:54 PM
>> To: Radioactive Frog
>> Cc: Joseph L. Brunner; JB Poplawski;
>> jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>; Travis Niedens;
>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
>>
>>
>> I doubt it with their weak polycom handsets and no support for
>> acd/contactcenters. Not to mention the hardware required for the
>> infrastructure is a bit ridiculous and honestly a turnoff. They have
>> years to
>> go before they even create a reasonable footprint to measure for market
>> share.
>>
>> I keep hearing all of this Cisco market share eroding and the question I
>> have
>> is to who??? HP 9% Juniper 2% Brocade 3% anybody else less than 1%.
>>
>> I applaud Cisco for protecting their brand and not allowing it free for
>> all,
>> because it makes the training/certification much more valuable. All the
>> other
>> vendors have the same approach, so what's the big deal???
>> On Feb 24, 2012 6:11 PM, "Radioactive Frog"
>> <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com<mailto:pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Watch out the Microsoft Lync in the next few years. It will wipe out
>> Cisco,s UC market.
>>
>> Lync now supports multitenancy, goes to Service providers Domain.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 24, 2012, Travis Niedens wrote:
>>
>> > Way too much land. I was in buildings J/K when they were supposed to
>> build
>> > more before the layoff in 2001.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>> <javascript:;>
>> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>> ><javascript:;>]
>> > On Behalf Of
>> > Joseph L. Brunner
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:05 PM
>> > To: JB Poplawski; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>
>> <javascript:;>
>> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> <javascript:;>
>> > Subject: RE: CCO Downloads.
>> >
>> > Yes - I also have a sick smartnet with many asa's, 3800's, 6509's, etc
>> but
>> > I
>> > was not able to download software for the 2651XM!
>> >
>> > HAHAH
>> >
>> > I guess Cisco has 2 choices
>> >
>> > 1. Sell all that land they acquired under John Morgidge in San Jose 2.
>> Lock
>> > down CCO in hopes people would buy more Smartnet contracts...
>> >
>> > Guess that's all you can do when your eroding market share year after
>> year
>> > in the Enterprise Switch, Core Router and Firewall Market, huh?
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>> <javascript:;>
>> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>> ><javascript:;>]
>> > On Behalf Of JB
>> > Poplawski
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:06 PM
>> > To: jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com> <javascript:;>
>> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> <javascript:;>
>> > Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
>> >
>> > I have 2600's in a lab, end of life routers. GNS3? What gives? I can
>> > download 65XX, 3750X, 28,29, 18XX.
>> >
>> > Kind of frustrating that I'm studying for a lab (Third attempt) and
>> running
>> > into issues of downloading IOS.
>> > JB
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:04 PM,
>> <jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com> <javascript:;>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > It must have finally caught up to you, but Cisco requires that you
>> > > have a service agreement for the device you're wanting to download
>> > software for.
>> > > Sent via BlackBerry
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: JB Poplawski <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com<mailto:
>> jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com>
>> <javascript:;>>
>> > > Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>> <javascript:;>
>> > > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:55:59
>> > > To: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> <javascript:;>>
>> > > Reply-To: JB Poplawski
>> <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com<mailto:jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com> <javascript:;>>
>> > > Subject: CCO Downloads.
>> > >
>> > > Anyone having download issues of images? I used to be able to
>> > > download most anything, now it seems they bolted down the hatches.
>> > > Makes life hard for my 3600 lab.
>> > >
>> > > Anyone?
>> > > JB
>> > >
>> > >
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