Re: CCO Downloads.

No this is Paul's list w/ little to no moderation. How many people have a
lab date booked in here or are CCIE's looking to mentor? According to the
sign up, those are the only people who should be participating. I
understand this isn't a perfect world... but this list is more like
dredging through spam lately, this topic included.

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:27 AM, David Bass <davidbass570_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry, I forgot this was the Marc Edwards study list... :)
>
> Part of preparing is coming up with a strategy right? One of the
> decisions that has to be made is whether you buy equipment/use a
> virtualized environment, or have to rent rack time right? How about the
> contined viability of this cert? Is this not relevant now?
>
> The CCIE is a huge investment in time and money...if you aren't thinking
> about all of the above in addition to learning and understanding the
> technology then you aren't doing your due diligence.
>
>
> On Feb 25, 2012, at 8:37 AM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> No really isn't relavant. I am not any more prepared reading it.
>
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 6:30 AM, David Bass <davidbass570_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Yes it is relevant...Cisco just made it much more difficult for those who
>> choose to have their own lab equipment or whichever virtualized platform
>> you like to study, or lab any particular scenario for that matter. I doubt
>> that was their intention, but it's the result.
>>
>> It is now just as easy (or as difficult) to study any other vendor, which
>> IMO was one of Cisco's biggest advantages. I think what Joe's point was
>> that Cisco does not make the best platform in each category most of the
>> time, but they can offer you a very decent end-to-end network, there are
>> lots of people that know the gear (because it was easy to learn), and it's
>> easy to support. The last 2 are intertwined.... If you take 2 of those
>> things away you immediately place Cisco equal to Dell or HP, which is
>> currently not reflected in their market share.
>>
>> You start making it impossible to cheaply implement Cisco equipment at
>> small companies because the used gear is worthless now that you can't get
>> code, and now you have people being forced to learn other vendors stuff,
>> which is not good for a company who doesn't make the best platform anymore.
>>
>> Cisco has been making one bad decision after another.
>>
>> The pay to support some other vendors stuff is way higher at this point
>> then what a CCIE level position is paying as well....
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 25, 2012, at 3:18 AM, Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > And all this is relevant for CCIE R&S candidates for their studies...
>> how?
>> >
>> > Please guys, take this offlist or to Cisco NSP.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427
>> >
>> > :: This message was sent from a mobile device. I apologize for errors
>> and brevity. ::
>> >
>> > On Feb 24, 2012, at 23:51, "Ryan Lindfield" <ryan_at_westchasetech.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> HP Networking is 3% of HP's value according to treffis.com so a net
>> loss of 44% doesn't relate to networking. From other reports I've seen HP
>> is gaining ground in the networking world as Cisco gains ground in the
>> server / blade server market.
>> >>
>> >> The last report I saw showed Cisco as #2 in x86 blade servers in North
>> America passing IBM & Dell. But that doesn't mean they are stealing market
>> share from HP.
>> >>
>> >> I think both Cisco & HP are gaining market share, while they may not
>> be taking it from the other or taking it marginally, a lot of smaller
>> vendors are getting squished as the titans duke it out. HP is as likely to
>> displace Cisco from networking as Cisco is to take the computing lead away
>> from HP. In the server world there are guys that swear by HP, and of course
>> others that swear at it. (I like UCS personally)
>> >>
>> >> What's killing HP is that many consumers don't need PC's they just
>> want a laptop. And when people buy laptops, smart ones anyhow are going to
>> Apple, those that don't really need a laptop are going to tablets, and
>> their not buying HP here either. Another debate entirely, just pretend I
>> didnb t say the Apple part and keep going.
>> >>
>> >> There are lots of angles to pick and choose from, all-in-all the
>> H3C/HP platform is quite capable, and as a consumer I appreciate the
>> competition, I've been able to score great deals on cisco servers and HP
>> networking equipment over the last two years, and I have a happy/ healthy
>> mixed environment in different environments. The competition helps the
>> consumers in the end. As a consultant I make the same, and I don't feel
>> like either company is looking out for me in any way.
>> >>
>> >> Cisco's big advantage that Jonathan points out is the all-in-one
>> security solution. It's obviously not a single product, but a portfolio
>> that encompasses everything from anyconnect running on your ipad to 802.1x
>> / mac sec, iron port coupled with botnet filter, leading market share on
>> switches which results in ubiquitous user experience, down to the hot new
>> asa1000v coupled with Nexus 1000v.Cisco has a product for every scenario
>> (except event monitoring RIP MARS) and is the only vendor offering complete
>> end-to-end solution working in nearly-perfect harmony. Nobody else in the
>> industry can touch this. They're selling a broad collection of "point
>> products".
>> >>
>> >> Just comparing switches to switches though, if you're not tasting the
>> wares from the other vendors and blindly buying Cisco you may be missing
>> out.
>> >>
>> >> In summary, don't dislike the other vendors without spending some time
>> on the other vendors. If you've got 100 hours on HP / Juniper, then sure
>> tell me how Cisco's better, but if you haven't put in some stick-time on
>> them, and aren't reading anything but Cisco it's time to take off the
>> blinders and quit drinking their Kool-aid.
>> >>
>> >> Try to remember the relationship of who-needs-who, and look at how
>> this conversation got started.
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards,
>> >> Ryan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Greenwood II
>> >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:48 PM
>> >> To: Joseph L. Brunner
>> >> Cc: Radioactive Frog ; JB Poplawski ; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com ; Travis
>> Niedens ; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> >> Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
>> >>
>> >> Hey Joe,
>> >>
>> >> I guess our facts of life are different, but the process to get
>> >> re-furbished gear back on smartnet is not like it use to be and the
>> premium
>> >> you pay might as well buy it legitmately. Just went through this with
>> a
>> >> customer who exclusively used NHR in the past until the recent policy
>> >> change enforced by Cisco for CCO downloads/hardware replacements via
>> >> smartnet contracts.
>> >>
>> >> For small mom and pop's or fortune1000/2000's as you like to classify
>> that
>> >> don't run advanced features like voice/video/security such as dot1x
>> posture
>> >> checking down to the access layer you're right, they can go with a
>> switch
>> >> from Walmart to do that. Most organizations that have that setup are
>> >> actually rip/replacing that crap because they want the
>> >> security/collaboration and feature sets of an advanced network. With
>> all
>> >> the rampant hacking security is hot right now in most organizaitons
>> and I'm
>> >> seeing NAC solutions flying out the door which requires an access
>> switch
>> >> capable of some advanced features from any vendor. Those
>> procurves/dells
>> >> are being given away because they're dead weight :) But when I speak
>> of
>> >> market share I speak globally not just here in the US so your #'s are
>> way
>> >> off buddy.
>> >>
>> >> Brocade is on the verge of being sold or spinning of their ethernet
>> side of
>> >> house because they're selling their crap so cheap just to get a foot
>> in the
>> >> door that the low margins are actually hurting them. HP is doing the
>> same
>> >> with their gear as well and not making any money off of it at the end
>> of
>> >> the day. Juniper is making some strides on the ethernet side at the
>> cost
>> >> of loosing focus on their firewalls/SP routing domain that they've
>> always
>> >> done well with which is not good.
>> >>
>> >> I follow the trends pretty well and it's definitely not tight for
>> Cisco,
>> >> but more so for HP if you caught the latest news from Meg Whitman.
>> Here
>> >> are few recent articles and one from the biggest Cisco basher I know
>> "Jim
>> >> Duffy" from network world so I can point to something who is
>> definitely not
>> >> pro-Cisco:
>> >>
>> >> IDC's Worldwide Quarterly Enterprise Networks Tracker Shows Record
>> Ethernet
>> >> Switch Results; Router Market Declines
>> >> http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23338212
>> >>
>> >> Pay specific attention to this line in the article:
>> >>
>> >> From a vendor perspective, Cisco's Ethernet switch (Layer 2/3) market
>> share
>> >> in 4Q11 came in at 64.3%, reflecting a significant improvement from
>> earlier
>> >> in the year. On a relative basis, Cisco continues to be strong in the
>> 10GbE
>> >> segment where it now has 69.5% of the market in 4Q11.
>> >>
>> >> Whitman gives HP harsh report card, outlines recovery plan
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022312-whitman-gives-hp-harsh-report-25
>> >> 6474.html
>> >>
>> >> Cisco Q4 Ethernet switch revenue up, HP's down
>> >>
>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022412-cisco-ethernet-switch-256544.htm
>> >> l?hpg1=bn
>> >>
>> >> What info are you referring to so I can reference???
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Joseph L. Brunner
>> >> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Johnathan,****
>> >>>
>> >>> ** **
>> >>>
>> >>> In the Lan switching market HP procurve alone has a 30% market share
>> so
>> >>> check your facts again you re also forgetting that most CIO/CTO s
>> would
>> >>> not answer a survey but quietly buy HP procurve and now many times my
>> >>> biggest Fortune 1000 Clients are getting Free Dell Switches with their
>> >>> server purchases as a sweetner Next up let s talk about the
>> hundreds of
>> >>> Fortune 2000 s (I have several clients in this group also) that ONLY
>> >>> purchase Cisco from Network Hardware Resellers, Myriad Supply, Ebay,
>> etc.*
>> >>> ***
>> >>>
>> >>> ** **
>> >>>
>> >>> In fact the ONLY thing my customers seem to buy from Cisco is
>> Smartnet on
>> >>> old Cisco gear (cause ASA s and 3750 s from 2008 still work) and Call
>> >>> Manager Licensing. We even got a Nexus 7010 from a reseller recently
>> so
>> >>> trust me it s a tight time for Cisco as people like google and
>> facebook
>> >>> give away free IT CIO s and CTO s think this means ALL IT should
>> cost
>> >>> less.****
>> >>>
>> >>> ** **
>> >>>
>> >>> Sorry man. Fact of life****
>> >>>
>> >>> ** **
>> >>>
>> >>> *From:* Jonathan Greenwood II [mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com]
>> >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2012 9:54 PM
>> >>> *To:* Radioactive Frog
>> >>> *Cc:* Joseph L. Brunner; JB Poplawski; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com; Travis
>> >>> Niedens; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> >>> *Subject:* Re: CCO Downloads.****
>> >>>
>> >>> ** **
>> >>>
>> >>> I doubt it with their weak polycom handsets and no support for
>> >>> acd/contactcenters. Not to mention the hardware required for the
>> >>> infrastructure is a bit ridiculous and honestly a turnoff. They have
>> years
>> >>> to go before they even create a reasonable footprint to measure for
>> market
>> >>> share.****
>> >>>
>> >>> I keep hearing all of this Cisco market share eroding and the
>> question I
>> >>> have is to who??? HP 9% Juniper 2% Brocade 3% anybody else less than
>> 1%.
>> >>> ****
>> >>>
>> >>> I applaud Cisco for protecting their brand and not allowing it free
>> for
>> >>> all, because it makes the training/certification much more valuable.
>> All
>> >>> the other vendors have the same approach, so what's the big
>> deal???****
>> >>>
>> >>> On Feb 24, 2012 6:11 PM, "Radioactive Frog" <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:**
>> >>> **
>> >>>
>> >>> Watch out the Microsoft Lync in the next few years. It will wipe out
>> >>> Cisco,s UC market.
>> >>>
>> >>> Lync now supports multitenancy, goes to Service providers Domain.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Friday, February 24, 2012, Travis Niedens wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Way too much land. I was in buildings J/K when they were supposed to
>> >>> build
>> >>>> more before the layoff in 2001.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;> [mailto:
>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>> >>> <javascript:;>]
>> >>>> On Behalf Of
>> >>>> Joseph L. Brunner
>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:05 PM
>> >>>> To: JB Poplawski; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com <javascript:;>
>> >>>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;>
>> >>>> Subject: RE: CCO Downloads.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Yes - I also have a sick smartnet with many asa's, 3800's, 6509's,
>> etc
>> >>> but
>> >>>> I
>> >>>> was not able to download software for the 2651XM!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> HAHAH
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I guess Cisco has 2 choices
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1. Sell all that land they acquired under John Morgidge in San Jose
>> 2.
>> >>> Lock
>> >>>> down CCO in hopes people would buy more Smartnet contracts...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Guess that's all you can do when your eroding market share year after
>> >>> year
>> >>>> in the Enterprise Switch, Core Router and Firewall Market, huh?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;> [mailto:
>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>> >>> <javascript:;>]
>> >>>> On Behalf Of JB
>> >>>> Poplawski
>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:06 PM
>> >>>> To: jazzsunn_at_gmail.com <javascript:;>
>> >>>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;>
>> >>>> Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I have 2600's in a lab, end of life routers. GNS3? What gives? I
>> can
>> >>>> download 65XX, 3750X, 28,29, 18XX.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kind of frustrating that I'm studying for a lab (Third attempt) and
>> >>> running
>> >>>> into issues of downloading IOS.
>> >>>> JB
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:04 PM, <jazzsunn_at_gmail.com <javascript:;>>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> It must have finally caught up to you, but Cisco requires that you
>> >>>>> have a service agreement for the device you're wanting to download
>> >>>> software for.
>> >>>>> Sent via BlackBerry
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: JB Poplawski <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com <javascript:;>>
>> >>>>> Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;>
>> >>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:55:59
>> >>>>> To: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <javascript:;>>
>> >>>>> Reply-To: JB Poplawski <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com <javascript:;>>
>> >>>>> Subject: CCO Downloads.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Anyone having download issues of images? I used to be able to
>> >>>>> download most anything, now it seems they bolted down the hatches.
>> >>>>> Makes life hard for my 3600 lab.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Anyone?
>> >>>>> JB
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Jonathan Greenwood II
>> >> CCIE #22744
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