Re: CCO Downloads.

LOL sorry, not trying to add fuel to the fire or engage in vendor
warfare... just wanted to help call out the facts. Back to CCIE/CCDE
studies!
On Feb 25, 2012 11:06 AM, "marc edwards" <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Ronnie Angello <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Also, why would someone position 3750G to support wire-speed iSCSI storage
>> in the data center in the first place? It's not a switch architecture
>> that's recommended for that application. The HP switch may outperform it
>> and may be cheaper, and that's great, but it was a bad design to begin
>> with...
>> On Feb 25, 2012 10:34 AM, "Ronnie Angello" <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > FYI - Nexus 7000 supports 768 line rate (non-blocking) 10GE ports in a
>> > single chassis w/ 7018 and Fab 2 / F2 line cards...
>> > On Feb 24, 2012 11:31 PM, "Joseph L. Brunner" <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.crn.com/news/networking/231001334/hp-touts-share-gains-in-networki
>> >> ng-war-with-cisco.htm<
>> http://www.crn.com/news/networking/231001334/hp-touts-share-gains-in-networking-war-with-cisco.htm
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Hp Procurve Junk huh?
>> >>
>> >> Did you know the Procurve 3500YL's back plane is FASTER than the best
>> >> Cisco
>> >> 3750-x's for < the price??? (You do backups and iSCSI, right?) 173Gbps
>> >> back
>> >> plane for the procurve vs 160Gbps for the best Cisco 3750x...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.hp.com/rnd/pdfs/ProCurve_Switch_5400zl_Series_Reviewers_Guide.pdf
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At even higher speeds, Brocade products are the only ones we use for
>> 10Gbe
>> >> iSCSI (resold as the Dell 8024) want to know why? Cause the Cisco's
>> have
>> >> tiny
>> >> shallow asics that drop frames during a vmotion. Perhaps you would like
>> >> me to
>> >> show you a vmotion on a Nexus 5020 and a Dell (Brocade) 8024 side by
>> side?
>> >> Guess which one wins every time, given same server and SAN hardware?
>> Guess
>> >> which switch has faster read/write to 10Gbpe ISCSI attached san luns
>> >> (again
>> >> given same server and SAN hardware)?
>> >>
>> >> Also on the topic of storage, we got a Fortune 1000 company to swap out
>> >> his
>> >> 3750G's for HP 3500YL's. (ProCurve Switch 3500yl-48G-PWR Intelligent
>> Edge
>> >> (J8693A)
>> >>
>> >> The CIO and his team were experiencing data loss and sluggish
>> performance
>> >> doing Citrix Xenserver Xenmotion's as well as Xen PVS desktop
>> >> provisioning.
>> >> His Citrix consultants were lost, so I simply looked at the port
>> counters
>> >> ---
>> >> millions of DROPs!!! The 3750G has crap ASICs and simply can't handle
>> wire
>> >> speed storage. So why pay $5,000 to $15,000 for a switch that can't
>> handle
>> >> basic 1Gbps iSCSI?
>> >>
>> >> His comment to me was "those HP's were the best $5,000 we ever spent".
>> >> Even
>> >> his users were shocked how much the network improved. They were a loyal
>> >> Cisco
>> >> customer for years until I showed them the difference a pair of
>> 3500yl's
>> >> made...
>> >>
>> >> Now from a high performance, low latency switch standpoint (and this
>> >> market is
>> >> redhot right now...)
>> >>
>> >> How about a tour of Equinix or Savvis next time you're in New York or
>> >> Chicago?
>> >> Guess what? Those are 2 most expensive serious datacenters on the
>> PLANET,
>> >> Full
>> >> of companies I can't even name here - but if you want the tour I'll
>> be
>> >> happy
>> >> to get you sign an NDA with our account rep and check it out in
>> person...
>> >>
>> >> You'll see an Arista, or Blade Networks (BNT), or Juniper Switch about
>> >> every
>> >> time you see a Cisco.... How much you want to bet on this fact?
>> >>
>> >> Are you familiar with Arista? Their 7500 BLOWS ANY other ETHERNET
>> SWITCH
>> >> out
>> >> of the water on the planet.
>> >>
>> >> http://bradreese.com/blog/arista-4-20-2010.htm
>> >>
>> >> And yeah, I know Brad Reese can be a jerk against Cisco - but I'm
>> saying
>> >> man
>> >> Cisco is known as the "slow steady reliable", but for HPC Cisco is
>> D.O.A.
>> >> You
>> >> do know why the Nexus Line cards have One Yellow interface every 4
>> ports,
>> >> right? (4 interfaces share 10Gbps bandwidth). Nexus is a BLOCKING
>> Switch
>> >> architecture - meaning the backplane/line card design does not allow
>> >> wirespeed
>> >> on every interface. Would you like to see a datacenter where I can
>> show
>> >> you a
>> >> Nexus Switch where there is only 1 thing plugged in every 4 ports? Sad,
>> >> huh?
>> >> the Arista is a fully NON-BLOCKING Switch. So is the Juniper EX 8200
>> >> series.
>> >> Look at those numbers on the last link... the Cisco Nexus 7010 has the
>> >> FEWEST
>> >> full rate 10Gbe ports of any major switch vendor. Sorry man - that's
>> >> pretty
>> >> sad. Clearly, the Nexus is a generation behind everyone else...
>> >>
>> >> I "grew up with Cisco". I got certified on Cisco. But they need to
>> really
>> >> do a
>> >> lot more to make their products a better deal to people spending over
>> >> $5,000
>> >> per switch. Period.
>> >>
>> >> I'm not even going to comment on the Lync vs Call Manager war - but
>> let's
>> >> say
>> >> the cheapest one standing will be around in 5 years - IT costs are
>> >> dropping
>> >> very quickly.
>> >>
>> >> -Joe
>> >>
>> >> From: Jonathan Greenwood II [mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com]
>> >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:48 PM
>> >> To: Joseph L. Brunner
>> >> Cc: Radioactive Frog; JB Poplawski; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com; Travis
>> Niedens;
>> >> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> >> Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
>> >>
>> >> Hey Joe,
>> >>
>> >> I guess our facts of life are different, but the process to get
>> >> re-furbished
>> >> gear back on smartnet is not like it use to be and the premium you pay
>> >> might
>> >> as well buy it legitmately. Just went through this with a customer who
>> >> exclusively used NHR in the past until the recent policy change
>> enforced
>> >> by
>> >> Cisco for CCO downloads/hardware replacements via smartnet contracts.
>> >>
>> >> For small mom and pop's or fortune1000/2000's as you like to classify
>> that
>> >> don't run advanced features like voice/video/security such as dot1x
>> >> posture
>> >> checking down to the access layer you're right, they can go with a
>> switch
>> >> from
>> >> Walmart to do that. Most organizations that have that setup are
>> actually
>> >> rip/replacing that crap because they want the security/collaboration
>> and
>> >> feature sets of an advanced network. With all the rampant hacking
>> >> security is
>> >> hot right now in most organizaitons and I'm seeing NAC solutions flying
>> >> out
>> >> the door which requires an access switch capable of some advanced
>> features
>> >> from any vendor. Those procurves/dells are being given away because
>> >> they're
>> >> dead weight :) But when I speak of market share I speak globally not
>> just
>> >> here in the US so your #'s are way off buddy.
>> >>
>> >> Brocade is on the verge of being sold or spinning of their ethernet
>> side
>> >> of
>> >> house because they're selling their crap so cheap just to get a foot in
>> >> the
>> >> door that the low margins are actually hurting them. HP is doing the
>> same
>> >> with their gear as well and not making any money off of it at the end
>> of
>> >> the
>> >> day. Juniper is making some strides on the ethernet side at the cost
>> of
>> >> loosing focus on their firewalls/SP routing domain that they've always
>> >> done
>> >> well with which is not good.
>> >>
>> >> I follow the trends pretty well and it's definitely not tight for
>> Cisco,
>> >> but
>> >> more so for HP if you caught the latest news from Meg Whitman. Here
>> are
>> >> few
>> >> recent articles and one from the biggest Cisco basher I know "Jim
>> Duffy"
>> >> from
>> >> network world so I can point to something who is definitely not
>> pro-Cisco:
>> >>
>> >> IDC's Worldwide Quarterly Enterprise Networks Tracker Shows Record
>> >> Ethernet
>> >> Switch Results; Router Market Declines
>> >> http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23338212
>> >>
>> >> Pay specific attention to this line in the article:
>> >>
>> >> From a vendor perspective, Cisco's Ethernet switch (Layer 2/3) market
>> >> share in
>> >> 4Q11 came in at 64.3%, reflecting a significant improvement from
>> earlier
>> >> in
>> >> the year. On a relative basis, Cisco continues to be strong in the
>> 10GbE
>> >> segment where it now has 69.5% of the market in 4Q11.
>> >>
>> >> Whitman gives HP harsh report card, outlines recovery plan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022312-whitman-gives-hp-harsh-report-25
>> >> 6474.html<
>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022312-whitman-gives-hp-harsh-report-256474.html
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Cisco Q4 Ethernet switch revenue up, HP's down
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/022412-cisco-ethernet-switch-256544.htm
>> >> l?hpg1=bn
>> >>
>> >> What info are you referring to so I can reference???
>> >> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Joseph L. Brunner
>> >> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com<mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>> wrote:
>> >> Johnathan,
>> >>
>> >> In the Lan switching market HP procurve alone has a 30% market share -
>> so
>> >> check your facts again... you're also forgetting that most CIO/CTO's
>> >> would not
>> >> answer a survey but quietly buy HP procurve and now many times my
>> biggest
>> >> Fortune 1000 Clients are getting Free Dell Switches with their server
>> >> purchases as a sweetner... Next up - let's talk about the hundreds of
>> >> Fortune
>> >> 2000's (I have several clients in this group also) that ONLY purchase
>> >> Cisco
>> >> from Network Hardware Resellers, Myriad Supply, Ebay, etc.
>> >>
>> >> In fact the ONLY thing my customers seem to buy from Cisco is Smartnet
>> on
>> >> old
>> >> Cisco gear (cause ASA's and 3750's from 2008 still work) and Call
>> Manager
>> >> Licensing. We even got a Nexus 7010 from a reseller recently - so
>> trust me
>> >> it's a tight time for Cisco - as people like google and facebook give
>> away
>> >> free "IT" CIO's and CTO's think this means ALL IT should cost less.
>> >>
>> >> Sorry man. Fact of life
>> >>
>> >> From: Jonathan Greenwood II
>> >> [mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com<mailto:gwood83_at_gmail.com>]
>> >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:54 PM
>> >> To: Radioactive Frog
>> >> Cc: Joseph L. Brunner; JB Poplawski;
>> >> jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>; Travis Niedens;
>> >> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I doubt it with their weak polycom handsets and no support for
>> >> acd/contactcenters. Not to mention the hardware required for the
>> >> infrastructure is a bit ridiculous and honestly a turnoff. They have
>> >> years to
>> >> go before they even create a reasonable footprint to measure for market
>> >> share.
>> >>
>> >> I keep hearing all of this Cisco market share eroding and the question
>> I
>> >> have
>> >> is to who??? HP 9% Juniper 2% Brocade 3% anybody else less than 1%.
>> >>
>> >> I applaud Cisco for protecting their brand and not allowing it free for
>> >> all,
>> >> because it makes the training/certification much more valuable. All
>> the
>> >> other
>> >> vendors have the same approach, so what's the big deal???
>> >> On Feb 24, 2012 6:11 PM, "Radioactive Frog"
>> >> <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com<mailto:pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >> Watch out the Microsoft Lync in the next few years. It will wipe out
>> >> Cisco,s UC market.
>> >>
>> >> Lync now supports multitenancy, goes to Service providers Domain.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Friday, February 24, 2012, Travis Niedens wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Way too much land. I was in buildings J/K when they were supposed to
>> >> build
>> >> > more before the layoff in 2001.
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>> >> <javascript:;>
>> >> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>> >> ><javascript:;>]
>> >> > On Behalf Of
>> >> > Joseph L. Brunner
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:05 PM
>> >> > To: JB Poplawski; jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com>
>> >> <javascript:;>
>> >> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> >> <javascript:;>
>> >> > Subject: RE: CCO Downloads.
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes - I also have a sick smartnet with many asa's, 3800's, 6509's,
>> etc
>> >> but
>> >> > I
>> >> > was not able to download software for the 2651XM!
>> >> >
>> >> > HAHAH
>> >> >
>> >> > I guess Cisco has 2 choices
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. Sell all that land they acquired under John Morgidge in San Jose
>> 2.
>> >> Lock
>> >> > down CCO in hopes people would buy more Smartnet contracts...
>> >> >
>> >> > Guess that's all you can do when your eroding market share year after
>> >> year
>> >> > in the Enterprise Switch, Core Router and Firewall Market, huh?
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>> >> <javascript:;>
>> >> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>> >> ><javascript:;>]
>> >> > On Behalf Of JB
>> >> > Poplawski
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:06 PM
>> >> > To: jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com> <javascript:;>
>> >> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> >> <javascript:;>
>> >> > Subject: Re: CCO Downloads.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have 2600's in a lab, end of life routers. GNS3? What gives? I
>> can
>> >> > download 65XX, 3750X, 28,29, 18XX.
>> >> >
>> >> > Kind of frustrating that I'm studying for a lab (Third attempt) and
>> >> running
>> >> > into issues of downloading IOS.
>> >> > JB
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:04 PM,
>> >> <jazzsunn_at_gmail.com<mailto:jazzsunn_at_gmail.com> <javascript:;>>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > It must have finally caught up to you, but Cisco requires that you
>> >> > > have a service agreement for the device you're wanting to download
>> >> > software for.
>> >> > > Sent via BlackBerry
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > From: JB Poplawski <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com<mailto:
>> >> jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com>
>> >> <javascript:;>>
>> >> > > Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>> >> <javascript:;>
>> >> > > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:55:59
>> >> > > To: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> >> <javascript:;>>
>> >> > > Reply-To: JB Poplawski
>> >> <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com<mailto:jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com> <javascript:;>>
>> >> > > Subject: CCO Downloads.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Anyone having download issues of images? I used to be able to
>> >> > > download most anything, now it seems they bolted down the hatches.
>> >> > > Makes life hard for my 3600 lab.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Anyone?
>> >> > > JB
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
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