RE: CCIE R&S Discouraged

Sorry Charlie - Google each thing I said pal... the truth hurts huh?

Don't think people cheat? I saw one of your country men removed from the RTP
lab with a pen scanner right after lunch...

I would of RKO'd his ass and handed him to the Wake County Sheriffs if I was
head of Lab Security - so be glad I'm not ok braddah?

From: Charlie::/128 [mailto:spycharlies_at_gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 1:04 PM
To: Joe Astorino
Cc: Abdul Waheed Ghaffar; Joseph L. Brunner; a.deguzman_at_ph.fujitsu.com;
ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE R&S Discouraged

...am not Chinese nor do I believe people actually cheat in the lab exam, but
am deeply saddened by the comments of "Joseph L. Brunner",...someone can
actually say such things in a public forum, wow!

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Joe Astorino
<joeastorino1982_at_gmail.com<mailto:joeastorino1982_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
I will add one more thing for you to think about. I've always thought of
the CCIE as the "special forces" of the networking world. That is just my
little thing...but anyways I was watching on the military channel the other
day a special on the US Army Ranger school. If you don't know the US Army
Rangers are the most elite special forces combat soldiers in the US army.

There was one scene in that special that was really interesting. When they
are killing these guys in training (like keeping them up for 48 hours
straight in the midst of brutal mental and physical abuse and stress, and
THEN having them run 30 miles with 80 pound packs on) the entire time you
know what the instructors are saying? "Why don't you go ahead and quit,
Ranger?" "Go ahead and quit" "If you quit right now, you can go to sleep"
"You don't belong here, QUIT" ....Most do, but the minority don't and the
minority become US Army Rangers. They get their Ranger tab and become the
most elite in THEIR industry. They didn't quit

Why? There has to be a deep rooted something in their brain that motivates
them to push on, to meet the objective, to say that failure and quitting is
not an option. That's what you need man you just have to find out what
that is for you. So what are you going to do? Go ahead and quit CCIE
candidate...

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Joe Astorino
<joeastorino1982_at_gmail.com<mailto:joeastorino1982_at_gmail.com>>wrote:

> Believe me -- There is a world of difference between somebody that has
> cheated their way to the top and somebody that has worked their way to the
> top. That goes for everything in life, not just the CCIE lab. Can it be
> cheated? Maybe. Does that effect you personally? Only if you let it.
> Everybody has their motivations and their own things that make them tick to
> willingly put themselves in the situation to suffer in order to obtain
> greatness. What is yours? You really need to think about that, because
> when the going gets tough like it is right now for you, you need to remind
> yourself why you are doing this.
>
> These cheaters are not going to prosper in the real world. Remember, the
> CCIE is a foot in the door. When you show up for an interview, likely with
> other CCIEs and you don't know what a type 3 LSA is or how to configure a
> basic BGP peering, or what the administrative distance of EIGRP external
> routes are, you will fail the technical interview and you will not get a
> job. If you manage to get a job, you will likely be fired in short time
> because you don't have the skillset to do your job and you have no
> integrity.
>
> Don't quit man we are all here supporting you to become an expert. I
> would encourage you to do some soul searching and really find the answer to
> your own question "why am I doing this" because you will need the answer
> somewhere along your journey. For me personally, it was mostly for
> learning and because I wanted to be the most elite and best in my chosen
> field. Also, knowing that you can get a better job and a higher salary do
> not hurt...but for me personally it was all about proving something to
> myself and continuing to grow as an engineer and as a person.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Joe Astorino
> CCIE #24347
> Blog: http://astorinonetworks.com
>
> "He not busy being born is busy dying" - Dylan
>
>

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Regards,
Joe Astorino
CCIE #24347
Blog: http://astorinonetworks.com
"He not busy being born is busy dying" - Dylan
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