Re: CCIE R&S Discouraged

am not Chinese nor do I believe people actually cheat in the lab exam, but
am deeply saddened by the comments of Joseph L. Brunner,...someone can
actually say such things in a public forum, wow!

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Joe Astorino
<joeastorino1982_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> I will add one more thing for you to think about. I've always thought of
> the CCIE as the "special forces" of the networking world. That is just my
> little thing...but anyways I was watching on the military channel the other
> day a special on the US Army Ranger school. If you don't know the US Army
> Rangers are the most elite special forces combat soldiers in the US army.
>
> There was one scene in that special that was really interesting. When they
> are killing these guys in training (like keeping them up for 48 hours
> straight in the midst of brutal mental and physical abuse and stress, and
> THEN having them run 30 miles with 80 pound packs on) the entire time you
> know what the instructors are saying? "Why don't you go ahead and quit,
> Ranger?" "Go ahead and quit" "If you quit right now, you can go to sleep"
> "You don't belong here, QUIT" ....Most do, but the minority don't and the
> minority become US Army Rangers. They get their Ranger tab and become the
> most elite in THEIR industry. They didn't quit
>
> Why? There has to be a deep rooted something in their brain that motivates
> them to push on, to meet the objective, to say that failure and quitting is
> not an option. That's what you need man you just have to find out what
> that is for you. So what are you going to do? Go ahead and quit CCIE
> candidate...
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Joe Astorino <joeastorino1982_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Believe me -- There is a world of difference between somebody that has
> > cheated their way to the top and somebody that has worked their way to
> the
> > top. That goes for everything in life, not just the CCIE lab. Can it be
> > cheated? Maybe. Does that effect you personally? Only if you let it.
> > Everybody has their motivations and their own things that make them tick
> to
> > willingly put themselves in the situation to suffer in order to obtain
> > greatness. What is yours? You really need to think about that, because
> > when the going gets tough like it is right now for you, you need to
> remind
> > yourself why you are doing this.
> >
> > These cheaters are not going to prosper in the real world. Remember, the
> > CCIE is a foot in the door. When you show up for an interview, likely
> with
> > other CCIEs and you don't know what a type 3 LSA is or how to configure a
> > basic BGP peering, or what the administrative distance of EIGRP external
> > routes are, you will fail the technical interview and you will not get a
> > job. If you manage to get a job, you will likely be fired in short time
> > because you don't have the skillset to do your job and you have no
> > integrity.
> >
> > Don't quit man we are all here supporting you to become an expert. I
> > would encourage you to do some soul searching and really find the answer
> to
> > your own question "why am I doing this" because you will need the answer
> > somewhere along your journey. For me personally, it was mostly for
> > learning and because I wanted to be the most elite and best in my chosen
> > field. Also, knowing that you can get a better job and a higher salary
> do
> > not hurt...but for me personally it was all about proving something to
> > myself and continuing to grow as an engineer and as a person.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Joe Astorino
> > CCIE #24347
> > Blog: http://astorinonetworks.com
> >
> > "He not busy being born is busy dying" - Dylan
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Joe Astorino
> CCIE #24347
> Blog: http://astorinonetworks.com
>
> "He not busy being born is busy dying" - Dylan
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