Re: CCIE R&S Discouraged

Marko, and Community. When I wrote my original email to all of you I was
in the process of email Cisco as well. I did report the material i found
the website, and the other websites that put the labs together. As Cisco
stated in their email back to me, I will not get a status report, but they
indicated that they would look into my allegations.

Thanks,
Joe S.

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 2:48 AM, Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:

> Joe,
>
> I understand your frustration and believe me, you are not alone. Being
> a CCIE instructor, I face similar questions from students almost
> weekly. "Why the hell am I spending so much money and time studying
> when the lab can be found on Chinese/Russian/Serbian/American
> websites?". It's most certainly unsettling, but I know for a fact
> Cisco is taking these cheating bastards (technical term) seriously and
> they are fighting real hard to stop them. Heck, even just few days ago
> they made a clarification and improvement to the NDA! Also, the lab
> itself is a tricky thing. I talked with some people in the program
> about this subject and the protection in the lab and believe me when I
> say that in the current version of the test, knowing the questions on
> the lab wouldn't help you much! CCIE R&S team has a phenomenal program
> manager who found a simple and VERY effective way to put an end to
> this kind of cheating! Also, the lab content is changing more often
> and I believe this is GOOD. Cisco is doing the right thing.
>
> All that said, it's still discouraging when you find this kind of
> thing. As others have pointed out, you SHOULD report it to Cisco! Tell
> them what you found and where. Tell them you were doing a legitimate
> research into the technology and you found the cheating bastards
> (technical term). It may be an equivalent of spitting in their general
> direction, but it will help you knowing you did the right thing!
>
> When you are done with that, stop and thing about it for a second. Are
> you in it only to get the digits, or are you in it to gain knowledge,
> experience and self-respect? If you are looking for those things, then
> getting the digits will come in in the end, but what you will have
> gained on the journey would be MUCH more worth it then just a silly
> 5-digit number those cheating bastards (technical term) provide to
> cheaters.
>
> Having 2 CCIEs myself, again, trust me when I say - the feeling when
> you pass on your own merit is worth every minute and every penny
> spent! The feeling is FANTASTIC and it doesn't get old :-).
>
> Take a week off the study to compose a new plan, then hit the books,
> labs and bootcamps again, go to Cisco and prove them you're a true
> expert, in the process ignoring those cheating bastards (technical
> term)! They are NOT worth your time to even consider them.
>
> --
> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 (SP R&S)
> Senior CCIE Instructor - IPexpert
>
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 06:38, Joe Sanchez <marco207p_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > I wanted to send a quick email out to all of you to get your take, and to
> > hopefully give me some words of wisdom.
> >
> > I recently took my CCIE R&S Lab exam at RTP on Nov 9, 2011; I failed and
> > I'm ok with that, I knew going into the exam that I was not 100% however
> I
> > scheduled the lab months prior, set my goals and tried to reach them
> before
> > taking the lab. I fell behind on a few of the goals that I set prior to
> > taking the exam, but I felt I needed to go ahead and take the lab and get
> > the butterflies and overall anxiety out of my system.
> >
> > I know what I need to do, so that my next attempt at the lab is
> successful,
> > and I'm working on those now.
> >
> > So here is the part were my discouragement comes into play and really my
> > overall mindset to stop studying for this exam and move on with my life,
> as
> > we all know that studying for the CCIE takes away your life for a while.
> > I've been studying for the CCIE off and on for almost 2yrs, and there
> have
> > been a few breaks in my studies as I have family and work obligations
> like
> > most of you all, "i digress".
> >
> > I came back from RTP and I had a few questions on my lab that I
> absolutely
> > had no freakin clue, so I set out looking through the CCO Doc CD and
> trying
> > to figure out the answers to the questions and I read every page on this
> > particular subject however, I couldn't find solutions the lab wanted.
> So I
> > set out in the world of google and began using search strings to find my
> > answer, and what do you know I found several scenarios from people that
> > were pretty close, so I modified my search string and began my
> > seek-and-find again. After searching for a few minutes more for my
> answer,
> > up pops a website URL in Chinese that redirects me to a website that has
> a
> > document in adobe web viewer so I think lets read this and see what I
> > find. I begin to read the document and see that it is a lab and as I
> > scroll down I begin to see the network topology and physical and logical
> > layout and the beginning general guideline requirements and I say to
> myself
> > "wow, this is very familiar" as I continue reading I again say " this is
> > way to close" and as I scroll down I see a topology that looks exactly
> like
> > the topology I had on my Lab, so I stop... dig out my notebook, "they
> one I
> > drew my LAB topology in, at the airport after my LAB exam" and I say
> "What
> > the hell" this topology is 100% exact to my LAB in RTP and not only that
> > but 100% ip addressing, vlan names and numbers, IGP AS numbers, BGP AS
> > numbers, "yes" i continued to read and yes everything, again everything
> was
> > 100% my LAB " I found the answer to my question". So I stopped... stared
> > at the wall for hmmm... a long time then said "Why" Why do I nearly kill
> > myself studying trying to get these digits when people are out there
> > cheating, but not only cheating but killing the reputation of a Expert
> > community because they feel that if they get the Digits they can make
> more
> > money than what they deserve. So I went home, because I don't study at
> > home as this is distraction most of them, and I asked myself the entire
> > ride home to whether or not a should continue.
> >
> > So I suppose my Question is to the whole community here is "should we
> even
> > continue", I've spent thousands or dollars getting equipment, labbooks,
> > video's not to mention the hours, but what is the point if people are
> > cheating and Employers know that people are cheating, and I've seen this
> > over the last few years that some CCIE's don't have a clue.
> >
> > I'm frustrated, p'd off, and discouraged.
> >
> > I await your thoughts and reply's.
> >
> > Please do not email me or request that I give you the website or name of
> > the company that is supplying the exact labs, as I will make you publicly
> > known for asking in this email group and forums. Really it's not worth
> it.
> >
> > Joe Sanchez (Chicago, IL)
> >
> >
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