Re: CCIE R&S Discouraged

Narbik,

I can only say WoW, and I've always known there are cheaters.. please don't
take me as a fool.. However I do give respect to the CCIE certification and
upto this day I have had a very had respect for the security of the CCIE
programs LABs.
I won't comment on any of your other statements, lets just leave it at that.

Best regards,
Joe Sanchez

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't believe this, just because you found out that there are cheaters,
> you are thinking twice about CCIE?
> If this is the case, you were not serious about the CERT to begin with.
>
> How many MCSEs or CCNPs do you know that do not have the expected
> knowledge? Does that mean that no one should go for that exam/CERT?
>
> How many drivers do you see in the street that passed the same exam that
> YOU did? Are they all GR8 drivers?
>
> Are you mentioning this for us to be aware that there is a Chinese site
> that has the questions, so some can start searching for it and cheat?
>
> How do you know that Cisco is aware of these sites? Why wouldn't you write
> this nice e-mail to Cisco and explain to them that you have spent lots of
> money and you are disappointed, and point them to the site, and tell the
> rest of us that you are disappointed because of the brain dumps, without
> mentioning the language of the site or giving any details about the site?
>
> Don't you think you automatically redirect some to the Google for a nice
> and detailed search?
>
> Please do not misunderstand me, i am not saying that you are promoting
> these sites (It is obvious that you are not), but do you agree that you
> should NOT even mention the language of the site so it won't spread to some
> that like to cheat?
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Sadiq Yakasai <sadiqtanko_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>>
>> Studying for a CCIE, as you already know makes one a better engineer. Even
>> if they never get their digits.
>>
>> Now, the most important phase of having attained a CCIE comes only
>> afterwards. A true CCIE will make enormous contributions to work/projects
>> with an understanding that is far beyond that of a "CCIE".
>>
>> You cannot ever stop people from cheating in life (on CCIE or otherwise).
>> And unfortunately, just having a CCIE number on your CV does not guarantee
>> you getting the big pay these days like it did years ago and I do not see
>> that ever going back to what it was. One thing is for certain though, on
>> the long run, the true CCIE will always differentiate themself from the
>> "CCIEs" out there so I would not worry. It hurts but what can you do with
>> what sees, human nature?
>>
>> Get the job finished my friend and enjoy the skills and power that comes
>> with it.
>>
>> Sadiq
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Joe Sanchez <marco207p_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > All,
>> >
>> > I wanted to send a quick email out to all of you to get your take, and
>> to
>> > hopefully give me some words of wisdom.
>> >
>> > I recently took my CCIE R&S Lab exam at RTP on Nov 9, 2011; I failed and
>> > I'm ok with that, I knew going into the exam that I was not 100%
>> however I
>> > scheduled the lab months prior, set my goals and tried to reach them
>> before
>> > taking the lab. I fell behind on a few of the goals that I set prior to
>> > taking the exam, but I felt I needed to go ahead and take the lab and
>> get
>> > the butterflies and overall anxiety out of my system.
>> >
>> > I know what I need to do, so that my next attempt at the lab is
>> successful,
>> > and I'm working on those now.
>> >
>> > So here is the part were my discouragement comes into play and really my
>> > overall mindset to stop studying for this exam and move on with my
>> life, as
>> > we all know that studying for the CCIE takes away your life for a while.
>> > I've been studying for the CCIE off and on for almost 2yrs, and there
>> have
>> > been a few breaks in my studies as I have family and work obligations
>> like
>> > most of you all, "i digress".
>> >
>> > I came back from RTP and I had a few questions on my lab that I
>> absolutely
>> > had no freakin clue, so I set out looking through the CCO Doc CD and
>> trying
>> > to figure out the answers to the questions and I read every page on
>> this
>> > particular subject however, I couldn't find solutions the lab wanted.
>> So I
>> > set out in the world of google and began using search strings to find my
>> > answer, and what do you know I found several scenarios from people that
>> > were pretty close, so I modified my search string and began my
>> > seek-and-find again. After searching for a few minutes more for my
>> answer,
>> > up pops a website URL in Chinese that redirects me to a website that
>> has a
>> > document in adobe web viewer so I think lets read this and see what I
>> > find. I begin to read the document and see that it is a lab and as I
>> > scroll down I begin to see the network topology and physical and logical
>> > layout and the beginning general guideline requirements and I say to
>> myself
>> > "wow, this is very familiar" as I continue reading I again say " this is
>> > way to close" and as I scroll down I see a topology that looks exactly
>> like
>> > the topology I had on my Lab, so I stop... dig out my notebook, "they
>> one I
>> > drew my LAB topology in, at the airport after my LAB exam" and I say
>> "What
>> > the hell" this topology is 100% exact to my LAB in RTP and not only that
>> > but 100% ip addressing, vlan names and numbers, IGP AS numbers, BGP AS
>> > numbers, "yes" i continued to read and yes everything, again everything
>> was
>> > 100% my LAB " I found the answer to my question". So I stopped...
>> stared
>> > at the wall for hmmm... a long time then said "Why" Why do I nearly kill
>> > myself studying trying to get these digits when people are out there
>> > cheating, but not only cheating but killing the reputation of a Expert
>> > community because they feel that if they get the Digits they can make
>> more
>> > money than what they deserve. So I went home, because I don't study at
>> > home as this is distraction most of them, and I asked myself the entire
>> > ride home to whether or not a should continue.
>> >
>> > So I suppose my Question is to the whole community here is "should we
>> even
>> > continue", I've spent thousands or dollars getting equipment, labbooks,
>> > video's not to mention the hours, but what is the point if people are
>> > cheating and Employers know that people are cheating, and I've seen this
>> > over the last few years that some CCIE's don't have a clue.
>> >
>> > I'm frustrated, p'd off, and discouraged.
>> >
>> > I await your thoughts and reply's.
>> >
>> > Please do not email me or request that I give you the website or name of
>> > the company that is supplying the exact labs, as I will make you
>> publicly
>> > known for asking in this email group and forums. Really it's not worth
>> it.
>> >
>> > Joe Sanchez (Chicago, IL)
>> >
>> >
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