Re: CCIE R&S Discouraged

I think there is far too much focus in this forum toward those with a propensity to cheat. They are out there, in all fields, professions, faiths and sexes - it is as much a part of life as death and taxes! It sucks, but its the truth - and those people will soon be found out and people like us can come in and save the day!

Whilst it would be nice to think that all of us are honest, hardworking people with a common goal there is more than likely people here that would love to know exactly what your search string was - so the less we talk about it the better off we will all be!

I am not in this game for what other people are doing... but for what I can learn and what an achievement it is for ME! As long as I can answer the questions WHY am i doing this? and WHAT is the end game? then I will continue to go for it! I WANT some damn numbers after my name!

I would suggest that you keep on trucking you put in so much effort already so make yourself proud! What is the worst that can happen - you become a better engineer and in time you get paid better money?

P

On 3 Dec 2011, at 23:31, Narbik Kocharians wrote:

> I don't believe this, just because you found out that there are cheaters,
> you are thinking twice about CCIE?
> If this is the case, you were not serious about the CERT to begin with.
>
> How many MCSEs or CCNPs do you know that do not have the expected
> knowledge? Does that mean that no one should go for that exam/CERT?
>
> How many drivers do you see in the street that passed the same exam that
> YOU did? Are they all GR8 drivers?
>
> Are you mentioning this for us to be aware that there is a Chinese site
> that has the questions, so some can start searching for it and cheat?
>
> How do you know that Cisco is aware of these sites? Why wouldn't you write
> this nice e-mail to Cisco and explain to them that you have spent lots of
> money and you are disappointed, and point them to the site, and tell the
> rest of us that you are disappointed because of the brain dumps, without
> mentioning the language of the site or giving any details about the site?
>
> Don't you think you automatically redirect some to the Google for a nice
> and detailed search?
>
> Please do not misunderstand me, i am not saying that you are promoting
> these sites (It is obvious that you are not), but do you agree that you
> should NOT even mention the language of the site so it won't spread to some
> that like to cheat?
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Sadiq Yakasai <sadiqtanko_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>>
>> Studying for a CCIE, as you already know makes one a better engineer. Even
>> if they never get their digits.
>>
>> Now, the most important phase of having attained a CCIE comes only
>> afterwards. A true CCIE will make enormous contributions to work/projects
>> with an understanding that is far beyond that of a "CCIE".
>>
>> You cannot ever stop people from cheating in life (on CCIE or otherwise).
>> And unfortunately, just having a CCIE number on your CV does not guarantee
>> you getting the big pay these days like it did years ago and I do not see
>> that ever going back to what it was. One thing is for certain though, on
>> the long run, the true CCIE will always differentiate themself from the
>> "CCIEs" out there so I would not worry. It hurts but what can you do with
>> what sees, human nature?
>>
>> Get the job finished my friend and enjoy the skills and power that comes
>> with it.
>>
>> Sadiq
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Joe Sanchez <marco207p_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I wanted to send a quick email out to all of you to get your take, and to
>>> hopefully give me some words of wisdom.
>>>
>>> I recently took my CCIE R&S Lab exam at RTP on Nov 9, 2011; I failed and
>>> I'm ok with that, I knew going into the exam that I was not 100% however
>> I
>>> scheduled the lab months prior, set my goals and tried to reach them
>> before
>>> taking the lab. I fell behind on a few of the goals that I set prior to
>>> taking the exam, but I felt I needed to go ahead and take the lab and get
>>> the butterflies and overall anxiety out of my system.
>>>
>>> I know what I need to do, so that my next attempt at the lab is
>> successful,
>>> and I'm working on those now.
>>>
>>> So here is the part were my discouragement comes into play and really my
>>> overall mindset to stop studying for this exam and move on with my life,
>> as
>>> we all know that studying for the CCIE takes away your life for a while.
>>> I've been studying for the CCIE off and on for almost 2yrs, and there
>> have
>>> been a few breaks in my studies as I have family and work obligations
>> like
>>> most of you all, "i digress".
>>>
>>> I came back from RTP and I had a few questions on my lab that I
>> absolutely
>>> had no freakin clue, so I set out looking through the CCO Doc CD and
>> trying
>>> to figure out the answers to the questions and I read every page on this
>>> particular subject however, I couldn't find solutions the lab wanted.
>> So I
>>> set out in the world of google and began using search strings to find my
>>> answer, and what do you know I found several scenarios from people that
>>> were pretty close, so I modified my search string and began my
>>> seek-and-find again. After searching for a few minutes more for my
>> answer,
>>> up pops a website URL in Chinese that redirects me to a website that has
>> a
>>> document in adobe web viewer so I think lets read this and see what I
>>> find. I begin to read the document and see that it is a lab and as I
>>> scroll down I begin to see the network topology and physical and logical
>>> layout and the beginning general guideline requirements and I say to
>> myself
>>> "wow, this is very familiar" as I continue reading I again say " this is
>>> way to close" and as I scroll down I see a topology that looks exactly
>> like
>>> the topology I had on my Lab, so I stop... dig out my notebook, "they
>> one I
>>> drew my LAB topology in, at the airport after my LAB exam" and I say
>> "What
>>> the hell" this topology is 100% exact to my LAB in RTP and not only that
>>> but 100% ip addressing, vlan names and numbers, IGP AS numbers, BGP AS
>>> numbers, "yes" i continued to read and yes everything, again everything
>> was
>>> 100% my LAB " I found the answer to my question". So I stopped... stared
>>> at the wall for hmmm... a long time then said "Why" Why do I nearly kill
>>> myself studying trying to get these digits when people are out there
>>> cheating, but not only cheating but killing the reputation of a Expert
>>> community because they feel that if they get the Digits they can make
>> more
>>> money than what they deserve. So I went home, because I don't study at
>>> home as this is distraction most of them, and I asked myself the entire
>>> ride home to whether or not a should continue.
>>>
>>> So I suppose my Question is to the whole community here is "should we
>> even
>>> continue", I've spent thousands or dollars getting equipment, labbooks,
>>> video's not to mention the hours, but what is the point if people are
>>> cheating and Employers know that people are cheating, and I've seen this
>>> over the last few years that some CCIE's don't have a clue.
>>>
>>> I'm frustrated, p'd off, and discouraged.
>>>
>>> I await your thoughts and reply's.
>>>
>>> Please do not email me or request that I give you the website or name of
>>> the company that is supplying the exact labs, as I will make you publicly
>>> known for asking in this email group and forums. Really it's not worth
>> it.
>>>
>>> Joe Sanchez (Chicago, IL)
>>>
>>>
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