Re: CCIE

Being based in the UK I can't really comment on the difference what you are currently earning vs what you have could be earning but if it were that much of a difference I would definitely struggle to say no!

I am a bit more of a risk taker who wouldn't think twice about moving to where the money is- something I have done already moving to the UK from AUS.

If it were me I would interview with the other company, get an understanding of who they are and what they do. If you want more information it isn't that hard to check them out on Linked-In etc. and speak to a current employee as a reference (remember you need to interview them as much as they need to interview you).

If I really liked the company I am already at then I would speak to them with the aim of getting that figure bumped up - any little bit helps.

Having said all that, my caution would be as follows: with the market being as it is at the moment there is always going to be another guy that comes in and takes the 75-80k for people with your/our skill set simply because they are willing to take the perceived job security over the cash (lets face it, no ones job is ever really secure!). Failure is a big motivator in life, keeping your house and your family fed is always preferred.

Also, I would not tell the old company who the new company is. The last thing that you want is to force yourself out of the old company only to find that they have been some bad eggs and gone and spoiled your new job too - and you end up on the street!

I cannot agree with this comment more if I tried:
> Always remember, you don't get what you deserve, you get what you
> negotiate. ;)

Now, after seeing this email thread I am off to do some more studying (after checking out thechive.com and cleaning my 1 year old daughters sticky finger prints off my laptop!) :)

Good luck fella!

On 8 Oct 2011, at 00:05, Steve Means wrote:

> Dude, 80k in DC is NOT what you should be making as an IE! Maybe it's
> nice if your company sponsored you for a visa/green card but those wages
> are LOW for DC. The company might offer a good work environment, but I
> think you'll find that a lot of places aren't rough for an IE to work
> at, especially if they need your number associated.
>
> Yes overall lifestyle is a consideration. I've more than once turned
> down or choose a lower paying option that allowed more work from home
> and flexible hours. But in your case if you like the place you're at
> then tell them you need a pay bump or you're going to take the other
> job. Do it nicely, and maybe accept something a little bit lower if they
> won't exactly match.
>
> Always remember, you don't get what you deserve, you get what you
> negotiate. ;)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> John Bevan
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 8:36 AM
> To: Joe Astorino
> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE
>
> Hi All,
>
> Thanks a lot for your inputs.
>
>
> To make things more clear I am
> currently getting 80K base + 10k Bonus. 70% of time I work from home and
> have
> stock options, medical benefit. Right now I am based in DC metro area.
> Offer
> what I am getting from consulting company is around 140K + health
> benefit.
> I
> am thinking 90k in DC metro Area for CCIE is low, that is a reason I am
> thinking of changing. But due to other benefits with my present company,
> I am
> not able to make up my mind. That's the reason wanted to get inputs from
> experience of other folks how to go with it and what should I look for
> in long
> terms.
>
> Thanks.
> John.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Joe Astorino
> <joeastorino1982_at_gmail.com>
> To: John Bevan <john.bevan_at_ymail.com>
> Cc:
> "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 7,
> 2011 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: CCIE
>
>
> It's all about balance man. Money is not
> everything, but it is important : ) With that being said, you have to
> weigh
> the entire package. How much is working for a great company worth to
> you? 50
> - 60% of what you make? I would advise you look at the big picture to
> help
> you make a clear decision. Write stuff down. I was in a job hunt not
> too
> long ago myself. My decision on where to go was based on some of these
> things:
>
> - Base salary
> - Bonus potential
> - Medical / Health benefit package
> -
> Location
> - Stress Level of the job as compared to others (hours I would be
> working, how much the job challenged me, etc)
> - Family
>
> All these things
> factor in. Now, 50-60% pay increase is going to be real tough for me to
> turn
> down personally. From experience, I think you are kidding yourself if
> you
> think your current company is going to eventually increase your pay by
> 50-60%. Maybe by the time you retire : ) Companies that hire you in at
> a
> "low" wage will keep you there for eternity. When I went from CCNA to
> CCNP
> all the sudden the company wanted me to stop doing cable drop runs and
> start
> configuring core and distribution layer devices and work on complex
> topology
> designs, but guess what? They didn't want to pay for that. Why? They
> hired a
> CCNA for a low price. Just because I got a CCNP didn't mean they were
> hiking
> my salary any more than the crappy 3% a year for living expenses. So, I
> moved
> on at the time. These are things you have to think about.
>
> In summary, you
> need to look at the entire package and find out what is most important
> for you
> and what is best for you and your family. Additionally, I don't think
> any
> company is going to bump you that much in a short period of time.
>
> HTH
>
>
> On
> Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:56 AM, John Bevan <john.bevan_at_ymail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
> folks,
>>
>> I am confused about job change and want to know from the experience
> of other folks who might have been through similar situation. I am a
> CCIE
> certified engineer working at Consulting engineer with the topmost(No
> prize
> for guessing) network company from last 5 years (having total 8 years
> experience). I came to US about a year back through intra-company
> transfer.
> Now my issues is that present company though is one of the best company
> to
> work for in networking industry but they are not paying me at level what
> experienced CCIE should be paid at(though a one of top most performer).
> Now I
> have few opportunities with some consulting companies in US who are
> ready to
> pay me 50-60% hike but these companies though good in consulting but not
> at
> that level my present company is.
>>
>> So my dilemma is that I am not able to
> decide if I should go for hike and leave my present company or instead
> of
> Salary I should remain with reputed company and wait for at-least 3-5
> years
> more to reach this salary level being offered to me right now. So
> basically
> want comparison between salary level and company reputation.
>>
>>
>> Also what
> should be average good salary in US for CCIE with 8 years experience, so
> that
> I can decide that if I am right now paid too low ?
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance for
> your inputs to help me clear my dilemma.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> John
>>
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