Re: CCIE

I would stay away from the counter-offer "bribe". Your existing company
will replace you as soon as they can with somebody cheaper. Counter offer
is generally never a good idea to take. It's unfortunate, but hey man it's
brutal out there. Take care of you first.

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:00 PM, JB Poplawski <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Ladies and Gentleman,
> This is why you get your CCIE!!! 140K/year can do a lot of things!
>
> John,
> Take a chance, you only live once! I would interview, get a formal
> offer and take it your old company. I've been here for X amount of
> years, I would love to stay, but how can you compete with this offer.
> It's worth a shot! Definitely don't play that card unless you're
> prepared to take the other position. You're using the new company's
> offer, but it boils down to putting up or shutting up.
>
> Good convo and best of luck to you!
> JB
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Joe Astorino <joeastorino1982_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Is the new position in the same area? Work from home is great, but if I
> > could stay in the same area I was in, have great medical benefits and get
> > 50k more to do similar work, that is a no brainer for me. Now, that is
> just
> > me -- You need to weigh your options. Is working from home worth $50k a
> > year to you? What about work environment, hours, expectations, stress,
> > etc? Would the new job require you to put in way more hours and time,
> and
> > thus have less time for your personal goals (study, hobbies, family,
> etc)?
> > How much is that worth to you?
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > P.S. I am not in the DC metro area but my opinion is that you are being
> low
> > balled significantly.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:35 AM, John Bevan <john.bevan_at_ymail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Thanks a lot for your inputs.
> >>
> >> To make things more clear I am currently getting 80K base + 10k Bonus.
> 70%
> >> of time I work from home and have stock options, medical benefit. Right
> now
> >> I am based in DC metro area. Offer what I am getting from consulting
> company
> >> is around 140K + health benefit.
> >> I am thinking 90k in DC metro Area for CCIE is low, that is a reason I
> am
> >> thinking of changing. But due to other benefits with my present company,
> I
> >> am not able to make up my mind. That's the reason wanted to get inputs
> from
> >> experience of other folks how to go with it and what should I look for
> in
> >> long terms.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >> John.
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >> *From:* Joe Astorino <joeastorino1982_at_gmail.com>
> >> *To:* John Bevan <john.bevan_at_ymail.com>
> >> *Cc:* "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >> *Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2011 11:21 AM
> >> *Subject:* Re: CCIE
> >>
> >> It's all about balance man. Money is not everything, but it is
> important :
> >> ) With that being said, you have to weigh the entire package. How much
> is
> >> working for a great company worth to you? 50 - 60% of what you make? I
> >> would advise you look at the big picture to help you make a clear
> decision.
> >> Write stuff down. I was in a job hunt not too long ago myself. My
> decision
> >> on where to go was based on some of these things:
> >>
> >> - Base salary
> >> - Bonus potential
> >> - Medical / Health benefit package
> >> - Location
> >> - Stress Level of the job as compared to others (hours I would be
> working,
> >> how much the job challenged me, etc)
> >> - Family
> >>
> >> All these things factor in. Now, 50-60% pay increase is going to be
> real
> >> tough for me to turn down personally. From experience, I think you are
> >> kidding yourself if you think your current company is going to
> eventually
> >> increase your pay by 50-60%. Maybe by the time you retire : )
> Companies
> >> that hire you in at a "low" wage will keep you there for eternity. When
> I
> >> went from CCNA to CCNP all the sudden the company wanted me to stop
> doing
> >> cable drop runs and start configuring core and distribution layer
> devices
> >> and work on complex topology designs, but guess what? They didn't want
> to
> >> pay for that. Why? They hired a CCNA for a low price. Just because I
> got a
> >> CCNP didn't mean they were hiking my salary any more than the crappy 3%
> a
> >> year for living expenses. So, I moved on at the time. These are things
> you
> >> have to think about.
> >>
> >> In summary, you need to look at the entire package and find out what is
> >> most important for you and what is best for you and your family.
> >> Additionally, I don't think any company is going to bump you that much
> in a
> >> short period of time.
> >>
> >> HTH
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:56 AM, John Bevan <john.bevan_at_ymail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> I am confused about job change and want to know from the experience of
> >> other folks who might have been through similar situation. I am a CCIE
> >> certified engineer working at Consulting engineer with the topmost(No
> prize
> >> for guessing) network company from last 5 years (having total 8 years
> >> experience). I came to US about a year back through intra-company
> transfer.
> >> Now my issues is that present company though is one of the best company
> to
> >> work for in networking industry but they are not paying me at level what
> >> experienced CCIE should be paid at(though a one of top most performer).
> Now
> >> I have few opportunities with some consulting companies in US who are
> ready
> >> to pay me 50-60% hike but these companies though good in consulting but
> not
> >> at that level my present company is.
> >>
> >> So my dilemma is that I am not able to decide if I should go for hike
> and
> >> leave my present company or instead of Salary I should remain with
> reputed
> >> company and wait for at-least 3-5 years more to reach this salary level
> >> being offered to me right now. So basically want comparison between
> salary
> >> level and company reputation.
> >>
> >>
> >> Also what should be average good salary in US for CCIE with 8 years
> >> experience, so that I can decide that if I am right now paid too low ?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for your inputs to help me clear my dilemma.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> John
> >>
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> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Joe Astorino
> >> CCIE #24347
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Regards,
Joe Astorino
CCIE #24347
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