Re: Company want CCIE, but they don't support my efforts

20K Euro is a lot of money, a boot-camp will speed your process to become a
CCIE but is it worth 20K I think it depends who need it and how fast when a
Cisco Partner need a CCIE and he decide to promote one of his workers he
will send them to boot-camp because it is fast and he will get
the investment back relativly fast, however if you personally doing it I am
not sure you are going to pay back your investment that fast.

I have done my CCIE without boot-camp' in total including
learning martial labs transatlantic flights 2 attempts and hotel's it cost
me ~7000USD may be a little less.

good luck

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Calin C. <calin_at_engineer.com> wrote:

> Hello Daniel,
>
> "...but if
> > B the CCIE does nothing for them..."
>
> Maybe I have to add some clarification. I'm being sold by my hiring company
> as a consultant (or external partner) to other companies. Maybe I'm not into
> marketing stuff, but I think selling a CCIE worth more than selling a CCNP /
> CCIP :)
>
> So, event if they don't have a plan to go further on with Cisco
> partnership, I think they will gain something from my increased knowledge.
>
> Thanks for reply!
>
> Cheers,
> Calin
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: daniel.dib_at_reaper.nu
> > Sent: 09/12/11 11:02 AM
> > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Company want CCIE, but they don't support my efforts
> >
> > On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:09:08 -0400, Calin C. wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > I have here an ethical problem, more than a technical one and I said
> > > to ask you guys, maybe somebody can give me an advice.
> > >
> > > Scenario is the following.
> > >
> > > For some time now I've been preparing for CCIE entirely on my own
> > > costs (learning in my spare time, rack rental / equipment
> > > acquisition,
> > > exam fee, accomodation, travel...).I sit to an exam a while ago
> > > (about
> > > a year) and fail. Came back home and start preparing again.
> > >
> > > Now I want to sit to another lab in some months and I was thinking
> > > that maybe a bootcamp will help. I've ask around some friends and one
> > > of them confirmed that he was in a bootcamp (company name not
> > > important, location Germany) and costs were about 20.000 euro ( 3
> > > weeks bootcamp, accomodation, travel...). This is a lot of money for
> > > me and I was thinking to ask my company to support me. I've found a
> > > cheaper bootcamp (5 days around 2.200 euro + accomodation and travel,
> > > let's say up to 3.500 euro). I've presented the above numbers to my
> > > company and their answer was that they are willing to support me, but
> > > only for the efective cost of the exam itself.
> > >
> > > Maybe it's important to say that I have other certifications (CCNP,
> > > CCIP, CXFS...) which are registered to my company for Cisco
> > > partnership.
> > >
> > > Finally we arrive to my issue:
> > >
> > > I will keep on supporting my way to CCIE on my own costs (let's say
> > > that the 5 days bootcamp I could afford to pay by my own, or buy the
> > > workbooks and practice on my own rack). I this case, my question is,
> > > if I will get a CCIE number, this will be automatically assigned to
> > > the company that I'm registered with? I've tried to explain to them
> > > that if this is the case, I would find it a little bit unfair to use
> > > my number. The cost of the exam itself is nothing compared to the
> > > rest
> > > of efforts.
> > >
> > > Please don't get me wrong. I'm fully satisfied with the company that
> > > I'm working on and I don't want to leave it. From financial and
> > > social
> > > perspective I'm happy with my position. I just want them to
> > > understand
> > > that nothing in life is free and CCIE comes with a costs that I have
> > > to either recover somehow or they need to sponsor my efforts.
> > >
> > > Any input will be appreciated (especially to my question about CCIE
> > > number - company relationship).
> > >
> > > Thanks for reading this long e-mail!
> > >
> > > Calin
> >
> > B Use the Partner Self Service tool available from the Partner portal to
> > B see if you are assigned to a company. If you are then I suppose the
> CCIE
> > B will automatically be accredited to that company. Going to a 20k
> > B bootcamp seems like a waste, many people do pass the lab without a
> > B bootcamp. If you want to go to one go for one that is for a week. That
> > B should be enough. Does your company need your CCIE to acheive a certain
> > B partner level? Maybe they don't and then they are not that interested
> in
> > B paying for it? They should still pay you for the competence and skills
> > B you have achieved when becoming a CCIE through a higher salary but if
> > B the CCIE does nothing for them partnerwise maybe they are reluctant to
> > B pay costs for it. Just trying to get a grip of your situation.
> >
> > B /Daniel
> >
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