Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it

I would not recommend reading 50 books. You'll be bored out of your
mind. Pick some. Probably doesn't matter which ones. But go through
them, particularly ones with case studies and read them for the "why"
part about what was chosen.

It's ok to argue with the books (don't expect much response though).
The idea is to question until you can come to an understanding based
upon what criteria was laid out to you why they picked the path they did.

That's the whole thing about the CCDE lab. In network design, there are
many plausible answers. However, there are better answers based on
business criteria or financial/political ones. And that's what you have
to sift through.

The hard part both for the exam and for recommending reading anything is
that this is geared towards (and says on the description pages) people
with 8-10 years experience. You really can't substitute experience.
You can get lucky sometimes, but statistically it's not easy to do for
the whole exam.

But reading for the "why" rather than reading for learning a technology
is something that takes more time and a bit of practice.

Is the CCIE SP a path for the CCDE? Not really, although it exposes you
to more technologies that you can start thinking about in a design
environment. And once you know HOW they work, then it's part way to
figuring out WHY to use or not use a particular set.

We had some long debates about what topics to put in or keep in the CCDE
when revising it. And there will still be a mix that touches service
provider as well as enterprise and commercial/small business. So know
the technologies (how) and concentrate your reading on the when to use
them (why).

HTH,

*Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,

CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.

CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER

swm_at_emanon.com

Knowledge is power.

Power corrupts.

Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......

On 8/10/11 2:33 AM, Roger Pfdffli wrote:
> Hi Travis (and all the rest),
>
> I agree but all the information regarding the SPv3 has been very very
> helpful (and since I've also mentioned the SPv3 in my initial post, I'm
> happy about the replies).
>
> Now we know officially that at least INE will "fully" support the new SPv3
> including rack rentals, workbooks, classes covering also IOS-XR. I'm
> waiting since 1.5 year to hear such a thing and I've already lost the hope
> that someone will ever support it, since (as mentioned earlier) just a few
> weeks/months ago all vendors told that they will not support SPv3 at all.
> So cool, the game is open again :-)
>
> But now, regarding the CCDE (which I've asked for), I do agree with you.
> The link from Brian pointing to the very helpful and interesting Blog from
> Petr, including all the reading stuff, does not fully answer my question.
> I would also be very interested to hear from people who have attended (and
> maybe also passed) the CCDE lab, how they have prepared. I think (hope)
> that there is more strategy than just reading 50 books and bring lots of
> experience. So please all CCDE's out there, let us know your ideas!!
>
> Personally I'm still not 100% sure which path to take, CCDE or SPv3, and
> which one is "better" for the future because I somewhat have to agree with
> the things Narbik said. There is not a very high demand after SPv3 and
> maybe it is more helpful to have "another" cert like CCDE instead of
> multiple IE's (and I mean this from a technological and financial point of
> view).
>
> regards
>
> Roger #23543
>
>
>
>
> On 10.08.11 08:13, "Travis Niedens" <niedentj_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This initially asked about the CCDE. I really have not seen any good help
>> for this other than "read all 17 Cisco books and memorize them". Can
>> someone
>> comment on how to actually pass the CCDE? I passed the written and want to
>> take a shot at the lab the next time it is available.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
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