RE: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it

> I disagree with the assessment that the only difference is syntax. Many of
> the verification commands are different to see how things are working. It
> can be struggle sometimes. People need to see it on actual XR.

Right, this is why our new topology includes IOS XR. XR's implementation of the technologies will be extensively covered in INE's CCIE SPv3 Advanced Technologies Class, and we will also be offering a separate IOS XR Fundamentals class for people who want to learn how XR works, but aren't necessarily working on CCIE SP.

> Has anyone on this forum even given the 3.0 a try yet? Or passed it for that matter?

I'm not sure about here, but on INE's forum and privately via email I've talked to people that have passed SPv3 using INE's existing workbooks and videos, along with the IOS XR book from Cisco Press.

Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
bmcgahan_at_INE.com
 
Internetwork Expert, Inc.
http://www.INE.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Negron [mailto:negron.paul_at_gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 4:49 PM
To: Brian McGahan; Narbik Kocharians
Cc: Roger Pfdffli; Matthew Heffler; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it

Brian,

I would agree that many things are simply a difference of syntax.

I disagree with the assessment that the only difference is syntax. Many of
the verification commands are different to see how things are working. It
can be struggle sometimes. People need to see it on actual XR. You don't
want to be figuring out show commands while you are troubleshooting problems
due to misconfiguration. Things that never happen during the lab
experience...right?.

Has anyone on this forum even given the 3.0 a try yet? Or passed it for that
matter?

I'm just curious.

-- 
Paul Negron
CCIE# 14856 CCSI# 22752
Senior Technical Instructor
> From: Brian McGahan <bmcgahan_at_ine.com>
> Reply-To: Brian McGahan <bmcgahan_at_ine.com>
> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 17:59:59 -0500
> To: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> Cc: Roger Pfdffli <rpf23543_at_gmail.com>, Matthew Heffler <hefflm_at_gmail.com>,
> "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Conversation: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
> Subject: RE: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
> 
>                 The  SPv3 exam uses a mix of regular IOS and IOS XR.  You
> don't need XR access during your entire preparation.  Additionally the
> technology is the same between regular IOS and XR.  If you understand how the
> technology works in IOS, you just need to learn the syntax of XR.
> 
>                 As for the 7600s with ES cards, no you don't need them.  The
> exam tests VPLS in XR, not in IOS.
> 
> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
> bmcgahan_at_INE.com
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.INE.com
> 
> 
> From: Narbik Kocharians [mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 3:02 PM
> To: Brian McGahan
> Cc: Roger Pfdffli; Matthew Heffler; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
> 
> Some of the problems with SPv3:
> 
> Rack rental: To study for any track you need to have 750 - 900 hours of rack
> time access, if you go to GigaVelocity (http://www.gigavelocity.com), where
> the charge is $75 for 3 hours, this equates to $22,500 dollars. This is just
> the cost of renting racks, now......if you attend a boot camp and/or purchase
> materials (Books and etc.) you have to add the cost of that as well, which I
> believe it will end up costing you close to $30K.
> 
> Material: To write the material properly, you need to have 7600 routers that
> allows you to do VPLS, even then, you need to have ES+ card that can cost
> 100,000 +, or may be use some of the new ME switches that have that
> capability. Once again the cost is high.........
> 
> You also need to have IOS-XR running on some devices, unless you are sharing
> devices in the Boot Camp, you need to purchase bunch of them, I like to see
> one pod per student.
> 
> These are some of the problems that I see running this track, unless you don't
> cover everything in the blueprint.
> 
> I much rather have a student go through three different tracks such as
> (Storage, Security and R&S) than go through this track and spend that much
> money.
> 
> Another issue to look at is the popularity and the job market when it comes to
> SPv3 in compare to R&S, Security, Storage, Voice, Wireless tracks.
> 
> So we came up with this custom Advanced MPLS Boot Camp that covers what MPLS
> has to offer, here is the link:
> http://www.micronicstraining.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&pr
> oducts_id=18
> 
> I do not want to disappoint anyone or discourage anyone from pursuing the SPv3
> track, but I want students to think about the entire journey and the cost of
> that journey versus the popularity of the track.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2011/8/9 Brian McGahan <bmcgahan_at_ine.com<mailto:bmcgahan_at_ine.com>>
> It was up in the air for a while, but it's now 100% certain that INE will be
> supporting it.  The part list for the IOS XR can be found here:
> http://i.imgur.com/HZE1R.png
> 
> There are a few other rack vendors that will be supporting the topology.
> Gigavelocity already has their topology up and are taking rental scheduling
> requests.  INE's topology won't be up for rental until after the ATC class is
> finished.  I'm figuring somewhere around 6-8 weeks.
> 
> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
> bmcgahan_at_INE.com
> 
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.INE.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Pfdffli [mailto:rpf23543_at_gmail.com<mailto:rpf23543_at_gmail.com>]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 1:17 AM
> To: Brian McGahan; Matthew Heffler
> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> Thanks a lot for the advice regarding the CCDE. The INE CCDE class would
> definitely be on my list once I go for the CCDE. The reading list is very,
> very, very long)takes forever to go through all of them :-)
> 
> Regarding the SPv3, I have to say that I'm quite confused now. Half a year
> ago, INE (and also other vendors) said that they will definitely support SPv3,
> but then they have changed their mind.
> Just a few weeks ago, your INE Sales told me that you will NOT support SPv3.
> Most of other vendors said the same, so I did not see a very realistic chance
> for SPv3
> 
> Now, you are telling me that you will fully support it including Workbooks,
> Rack Rentals and real XR stuff???
> Sorry guys but this makes it very difficult for all the people trying to setup
> a plan to study for a cert if the vendors change their mind so many times.
> So is this now a final commitment that INE will fully support SPv3?
> 
> This would be amazing news and I'm sure many have been waiting for that) )and
> I have to think again whether to go for CCDE or CCIE SPv3 )hmmmm)
> 
> regards
> 
> Roger #23543
> 
> 
> 
> On 09.08.11 06:45, "Brian McGahan" <bmcgahan_at_ine.com<mailto:bmcgahan_at_ine.com>>
> wrote:
> 
>> CCDE is doable, but you must be very well versed in the high level
>> details of many technologies and how they fit together.  If you want to
>> pursue CCDE then you should start with this reading list:
>> http://goo.gl/PpBNx  It is large and intimidating, but if it was easy
>> everybody would have it, right?  As a side note it is very likely that
>> INE will be offering another live CCDE class in Chicago the week prior
>> to the next practical exam.  I don't have the exact figures but I
>> believe it was somewhere around 6-8 people who attended the last class
>> and took the practical passed.
>> 
>> As for CCIE SPv3, INE will be supporting it.  I have a new CCIE SPv3
>> Advanced Technologies Class that will be running in a few weeks that
>> covers the new blueprint, which will be followed up by a new workbook
>> and rack rentals that cover the new SPv3 blueprint, including IOS XR.
>> All the SP topics can be covered in Dynamips or IOU with the exception
>> of IOS XR.  Cisco internal has IOS XR emulation, but if you don't
>> already know this and haven't already seen it then it's unlikely that
>> you're going to find access to it anywhere ;) If you want to build the
>> topology, the absolute minimum you're going to spend is about $15k USD
>> just for two XR instances.  The INE topology will consist of multiple
>> XR instances, regular IOS instances, and Metro Ethernet (ME) IOS
>> switches that total about 25 devices.  Also these all run in hardware,
>> not emulation.  If anyone is interested in the exact part list for the
>> new topology feel free to contact me offline, I will be posting
>> specifics about it next week on our blog.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security) bmcgahan_at_INE.com
>> 
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> http://www.INE.com
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On Behalf Of
>> Matthew Heffler
>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 3:08 PM
>> To: Roger Pfdffli
>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
>> 
>> Brian McGahan (INE) is getting ready to start the CCIE SP ATC soon.
>> You may want to sign-up for the AAP and sit in on the class.  I think I
>> read somewhere they are going to make a rental rack available as well.
>> May be pretty awesome for those without access to a XR 12000 router.  I
>> know I got a few laying around my basement, but not everyone has got it
>> like that...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Roger Pfdffli
> <rpf23543_at_gmail.com<mailto:rpf23543_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Hi Group,
>>> 
>>> Since there is almost no vendor support for CCIE SP, I'm looking for
>>> alternatives. CCDE seems to be a good one but since there are so few
>>> people which have passed it, I'm not sure how "doable" the CCDE is.
>>> 
>>> Not many vendors offer products for CCDE and I'm kind of unsure which
>>> is "the right way" towards the CCDE. I know, lots of practice and
>>> lots of reading but I would be interested to hear from all the people
>>> which are already CCDE or have attended the exam, how they have prepared!
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> 
>>> Roger #23543
>>> 
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