Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it

Can you point the blueprint bullet point where VPLS on XR and not on 7600 is mentioned?

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On Aug 9, 2011, at 15:59, Brian McGahan <bmcgahan_at_ine.com> wrote:
>                The  SPv3 exam uses a mix of regular IOS and IOS XR.  You
> don't need XR access during your entire preparation.  Additionally the
> technology is the same between regular IOS and XR.  If you understand how the
> technology works in IOS, you just need to learn the syntax of XR.
> 
>                As for the 7600s with ES cards, no you don't need them.  The
> exam tests VPLS in XR, not in IOS.
> 
> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
> bmcgahan_at_INE.com
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.INE.com
> 
> 
> From: Narbik Kocharians [mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 3:02 PM
> To: Brian McGahan
> Cc: Roger Pfdffli; Matthew Heffler; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
> 
> Some of the problems with SPv3:
> 
> Rack rental: To study for any track you need to have 750 - 900 hours of rack
> time access, if you go to GigaVelocity (http://www.gigavelocity.com), where
> the charge is $75 for 3 hours, this equates to $22,500 dollars. This is just
> the cost of renting racks, now......if you attend a boot camp and/or purchase
> materials (Books and etc.) you have to add the cost of that as well, which I
> believe it will end up costing you close to $30K.
> 
> Material: To write the material properly, you need to have 7600 routers that
> allows you to do VPLS, even then, you need to have ES+ card that can cost
> 100,000 +, or may be use some of the new ME switches that have that
> capability. Once again the cost is high.........
> 
> You also need to have IOS-XR running on some devices, unless you are sharing
> devices in the Boot Camp, you need to purchase bunch of them, I like to see
> one pod per student.
> 
> These are some of the problems that I see running this track, unless you don't
> cover everything in the blueprint.
> 
> I much rather have a student go through three different tracks such as
> (Storage, Security and R&S) than go through this track and spend that much
> money.
> 
> Another issue to look at is the popularity and the job market when it comes to
> SPv3 in compare to R&S, Security, Storage, Voice, Wireless tracks.
> 
> So we came up with this custom Advanced MPLS Boot Camp that covers what MPLS
> has to offer, here is the link:
> http://www.micronicstraining.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&pr
> oducts_id=18
> 
> I do not want to disappoint anyone or discourage anyone from pursuing the SPv3
> track, but I want students to think about the entire journey and the cost of
> that journey versus the popularity of the track.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2011/8/9 Brian McGahan <bmcgahan_at_ine.com<mailto:bmcgahan_at_ine.com>>
> It was up in the air for a while, but it's now 100% certain that INE will be
> supporting it.  The part list for the IOS XR can be found here:
> http://i.imgur.com/HZE1R.png
> 
> There are a few other rack vendors that will be supporting the topology.
> Gigavelocity already has their topology up and are taking rental scheduling
> requests.  INE's topology won't be up for rental until after the ATC class is
> finished.  I'm figuring somewhere around 6-8 weeks.
> 
> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
> bmcgahan_at_INE.com
> 
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.INE.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Pfdffli [mailto:rpf23543_at_gmail.com<mailto:rpf23543_at_gmail.com>]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 1:17 AM
> To: Brian McGahan; Matthew Heffler
> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> Thanks a lot for the advice regarding the CCDE. The INE CCDE class would
> definitely be on my list once I go for the CCDE. The reading list is very,
> very, very long)takes forever to go through all of them :-)
> 
> Regarding the SPv3, I have to say that I'm quite confused now. Half a year
> ago, INE (and also other vendors) said that they will definitely support SPv3,
> but then they have changed their mind.
> Just a few weeks ago, your INE Sales told me that you will NOT support SPv3.
> Most of other vendors said the same, so I did not see a very realistic chance
> for SPv3
> 
> Now, you are telling me that you will fully support it including Workbooks,
> Rack Rentals and real XR stuff???
> Sorry guys but this makes it very difficult for all the people trying to setup
> a plan to study for a cert if the vendors change their mind so many times.
> So is this now a final commitment that INE will fully support SPv3?
> 
> This would be amazing news and I'm sure many have been waiting for that) )and
> I have to think again whether to go for CCDE or CCIE SPv3 )hmmmm)
> 
> regards
> 
> Roger #23543
> 
> 
> 
> On 09.08.11 06:45, "Brian McGahan" <bmcgahan_at_ine.com<mailto:bmcgahan_at_ine.com>>
> wrote:
> 
>> CCDE is doable, but you must be very well versed in the high level
>> details of many technologies and how they fit together.  If you want to
>> pursue CCDE then you should start with this reading list:
>> http://goo.gl/PpBNx  It is large and intimidating, but if it was easy
>> everybody would have it, right?  As a side note it is very likely that
>> INE will be offering another live CCDE class in Chicago the week prior
>> to the next practical exam.  I don't have the exact figures but I
>> believe it was somewhere around 6-8 people who attended the last class
>> and took the practical passed.
>> 
>> As for CCIE SPv3, INE will be supporting it.  I have a new CCIE SPv3
>> Advanced Technologies Class that will be running in a few weeks that
>> covers the new blueprint, which will be followed up by a new workbook
>> and rack rentals that cover the new SPv3 blueprint, including IOS XR.
>> All the SP topics can be covered in Dynamips or IOU with the exception
>> of IOS XR.  Cisco internal has IOS XR emulation, but if you don't
>> already know this and haven't already seen it then it's unlikely that
>> you're going to find access to it anywhere ;) If you want to build the
>> topology, the absolute minimum you're going to spend is about $15k USD
>> just for two XR instances.  The INE topology will consist of multiple
>> XR instances, regular IOS instances, and Metro Ethernet (ME) IOS
>> switches that total about 25 devices.  Also these all run in hardware,
>> not emulation.  If anyone is interested in the exact part list for the
>> new topology feel free to contact me offline, I will be posting
>> specifics about it next week on our blog.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security) bmcgahan_at_INE.com
>> 
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> http://www.INE.com
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On Behalf Of
>> Matthew Heffler
>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 3:08 PM
>> To: Roger Pfdffli
>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
>> 
>> Brian McGahan (INE) is getting ready to start the CCIE SP ATC soon.
>> You may want to sign-up for the AAP and sit in on the class.  I think I
>> read somewhere they are going to make a rental rack available as well.
>> May be pretty awesome for those without access to a XR 12000 router.  I
>> know I got a few laying around my basement, but not everyone has got it
>> like that...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Roger Pfdffli
> <rpf23543_at_gmail.com<mailto:rpf23543_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Hi Group,
>>> 
>>> Since there is almost no vendor support for CCIE SP, I'm looking for
>>> alternatives. CCDE seems to be a good one but since there are so few
>>> people which have passed it, I'm not sure how "doable" the CCDE is.
>>> 
>>> Not many vendors offer products for CCDE and I'm kind of unsure which
>>> is "the right way" towards the CCDE. I know, lots of practice and
>>> lots of reading but I would be interested to hear from all the people
>>> which are already CCDE or have attended the exam, how they have prepared!
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> 
>>> Roger #23543
>>> 
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