Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it

Some of the problems with SPv3:

Rack rental: To study for any track you need to have 750  900 hours of rack
time access, if you go to GigaVelocity (http://www.gigavelocity.com), where
the charge is $75 for 3 hours, this equates to $22,500 dollars. This is just
the cost of renting racks, nowif you attend a boot camp and/or purchase
materials (Books and etc.) you have to add the cost of that as well, which I
believe it will end up costing you close to $30K.

Material: To write the material properly, you need to have 7600 routers that
allows you to do VPLS, even then, you need to have ES+ card that can cost
100,000 +, or may be use some of the new ME switches that have that
capability. Once again the cost is high.........

You also need to have IOS-XR running on some devices, unless you are sharing
devices in the Boot Camp, you need to purchase bunch of them, I like to see
one pod per student.

These are some of the problems that I see running this track, unless you
dont cover everything in the blueprint.

I much rather have a student go through three different tracks such as
(Storage, Security and R&S) than go through this track and spend that much
money.

Another issue to look at is the popularity and the job market when it comes
to SPv3 in compare to R&S, Security, Storage, Voice, Wireless tracks.

So we came up with this custom Advanced MPLS Boot Camp that covers what MPLS
has to offer, here is the link:

http://www.micronicstraining.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&pr
oducts_id=18

I do not want to disappoint anyone or discourage anyone from pursuing the
SPv3 track, but I want students to think about the entire journey and the
cost of that journey versus the popularity of the track.

2011/8/9 Brian McGahan <bmcgahan_at_ine.com>

> It was up in the air for a while, but it's now 100% certain that INE will
> be supporting it. The part list for the IOS XR can be found here:
> http://i.imgur.com/HZE1R.png
>
> There are a few other rack vendors that will be supporting the topology.
> Gigavelocity already has their topology up and are taking rental
scheduling
> requests. INE's topology won't be up for rental until after the ATC class
> is finished. I'm figuring somewhere around 6-8 weeks.
>
> Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
> bmcgahan_at_INE.com
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.INE.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Pfdffli [mailto:rpf23543_at_gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 1:17 AM
> To: Brian McGahan; Matthew Heffler
> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Thanks a lot for the advice regarding the CCDE. The INE CCDE class would
> definitely be on my list once I go for the CCDE. The reading list is very,
> very, very long)takes forever to go through all of them :-)
>
> Regarding the SPv3, I have to say that I'm quite confused now. Half a year
> ago, INE (and also other vendors) said that they will definitely support
> SPv3, but then they have changed their mind.
> Just a few weeks ago, your INE Sales told me that you will NOT support
> SPv3. Most of other vendors said the same, so I did not see a very
realistic
> chance for SPv3
>
> Now, you are telling me that you will fully support it including Workbooks,
> Rack Rentals and real XR stuff???
> Sorry guys but this makes it very difficult for all the people trying to
> setup a plan to study for a cert if the vendors change their mind so many
> times.
> So is this now a final commitment that INE will fully support SPv3?
>
> This would be amazing news and I'm sure many have been waiting for that)
> )and I have to think again whether to go for CCDE or CCIE SPv3 )hmmmm)
>
> regards
>
> Roger #23543
>
>
>
> On 09.08.11 06:45, "Brian McGahan" <bmcgahan_at_ine.com> wrote:
>
> >CCDE is doable, but you must be very well versed in the high level
> >details of many technologies and how they fit together. If you want to
> >pursue CCDE then you should start with this reading list:
> >http://goo.gl/PpBNx It is large and intimidating, but if it was easy
> >everybody would have it, right? As a side note it is very likely that
> >INE will be offering another live CCDE class in Chicago the week prior
> >to the next practical exam. I don't have the exact figures but I
> >believe it was somewhere around 6-8 people who attended the last class
> >and took the practical passed.
> >
> >As for CCIE SPv3, INE will be supporting it. I have a new CCIE SPv3
> >Advanced Technologies Class that will be running in a few weeks that
> >covers the new blueprint, which will be followed up by a new workbook
> >and rack rentals that cover the new SPv3 blueprint, including IOS XR.
> >All the SP topics can be covered in Dynamips or IOU with the exception
> >of IOS XR. Cisco internal has IOS XR emulation, but if you don't
> >already know this and haven't already seen it then it's unlikely that
> >you're going to find access to it anywhere ;) If you want to build the
> >topology, the absolute minimum you're going to spend is about $15k USD
> >just for two XR instances. The INE topology will consist of multiple
> >XR instances, regular IOS instances, and Metro Ethernet (ME) IOS
> >switches that total about 25 devices. Also these all run in hardware,
> >not emulation. If anyone is interested in the exact part list for the
> >new topology feel free to contact me offline, I will be posting
> >specifics about it next week on our blog.
> >
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security) bmcgahan_at_INE.com
> >
> >Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >http://www.INE.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >Matthew Heffler
> >Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 3:08 PM
> >To: Roger Pfdffli
> >Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
> >
> >Brian McGahan (INE) is getting ready to start the CCIE SP ATC soon.
> >You may want to sign-up for the AAP and sit in on the class. I think I
> >read somewhere they are going to make a rental rack available as well.
> >May be pretty awesome for those without access to a XR 12000 router. I
> >know I got a few laying around my basement, but not everyone has got it
> >like that...
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Roger Pfdffli <rpf23543_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi Group,
> >>
> >> Since there is almost no vendor support for CCIE SP, I'm looking for
> >> alternatives. CCDE seems to be a good one but since there are so few
> >> people which have passed it, I'm not sure how "doable" the CCDE is.
> >>
> >> Not many vendors offer products for CCDE and I'm kind of unsure which
> >> is "the right way" towards the CCDE. I know, lots of practice and
> >> lots of reading but I would be interested to hear from all the people
> >> which are already CCDE or have attended the exam, how they have
> prepared!
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance
> >>
> >> Roger #23543
> >>
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