Re: CCIE R&S Decline

Scott Morris for president!
On Jul 11, 2011 11:17 AM, "Vladimir Osipenko" <tiffolk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> Who is Scott Morris?
>
> On 11 July 2011 19:18, -Hammer- <bhmccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> Marc,
>> You just lost about 2/3rds of the audience with the Highlander
>> reference. :) You'll have to reference Scott as "Syler" from "Heroes"
>> for the young folk.
>>
>> -Hammer-
>>
>> "I was a normal American nerd"
>> -Jack Herer
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/11/2011 09:57 AM, marc abel wrote:
>>> I don't know. I heard that if you kill a CCIE you get his power. Maybe
>>> Scott Morris is hunting them down all Highlander style. This could
>>> account for the high number of deaths.
>>>
>>>
>>> There can be only one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
>>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry I'm not buying death as even a top 10 candidate for the decline
in ccie's...
>>>>
>>>> Assume the cert became availabe in 1993 and the average age of a passee
for the life of the program was 37 (I'll even let you make this an
unbelievable 50!!!)
>>>>
>>>> The actuarial odds of 1,000 of say HALF of 17,000 (let's assume half
passed in the first 10 years of the program) or 8500 BEFORE age 70 with a
western style of living, would mean no one under 70 would be allowed life
insurance to say the least :).
>>>>
>>>> So, let's end that old maid's tale Cisco would find convienient that
their premier certification is LOSING head count due to deaths...
>>>>
>>>> It's not credible. I'm sure you can go lookup what percent of
males/females making what a ccie averages globally die before age 70 in
countries like USA, Belgium, England, Japan... (And we know I let you use
"50" when its probably more like "37" for median age, so we are really
talking about 57 year olds dropping dead...)
>>>>
>>>> I would say the top 10 reasons for the decline are:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Lack of interest in renewing (in same career). Didn't get raise or
20 year old hot secretary they wanted for passing...
>>>>
>>>> 2. Change of job role, no need to renew (in same career, but say move
to management).
>>>>
>>>> 3. Chage of careers cert no longer needed
>>>>
>>>> 4. Unfamiliar/intimidated with new topics (how many of us have worked
with an "old timer ccie" who was not able to say how to config mpls or
modern qos???)
>>>>
>>>> 5. Unaware they RECENTLY expired. Yes cisco did JUST start emailing
people these last few months... (a good half of the drops could be already
planning on
>>>> Retaking the written or more per your data, we don't know)
>>>>
>>>> 6. Disenfranchisement with the requirement they recertify - I hear many
older ccie's think that like the retired California Highway Patrol
"Commissioner Emeritus" on late night tv (admit you have seen him NOW!) they
should be able to "wear their uniform" years after they retire... So they
just let it expire as a protest
>>>>
>>>> 7. Went on to the "10 years" ccie emeritus program catchall and think
>>>> this is acceptible enough (5 recerts could probably do this to anyone)
>>>>
>>>> 8. Wife and kids won't allow them time to study. (See "The Shining"
starring Jack Nicholson for a possible solution to get your ccie back)
>>>>
>>>> 9. Fraud. Many passed or skated using dumps and just didn't value the
cert. I'm sure the 5 guys with the same name in Bejing who passed ALL on the
SAME day a few years back didn't need the cert again...
>>>>
>>>> 10. Retirement from Cisco (Many of the early passers worked there).
They just don't need the cert anymore as it was part of a career they
retired honorably from. Not bad if you made it out with above water stock
options :) and you saved well.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Vladimir Osipenko [mailto:tiffolk_at_gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 07:57 AM
>>>> To: Joseph L. Brunner
>>>> Cc: Farrukh Haroon<farrukhharoon_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification<
ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: CCIE R&S Decline
>>>>
>>>> And you know, people sometimes die...
>>>>
>>>> On 11 July 2011 11:47, Joseph L. Brunner<joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No the need is down so the demand is down...
>>>>>
>>>>> How many people are building new big expensive networks in a
depression?
>>>>>
>>>>> How many US banks are just "keeping what they have running"?
>>>>>
>>>>> How many new global players that are building new networks are using
Juniper?
>>>>>
>>>>> Look around these days - its mostly professional services firms hiring
CCIE's - and who wants to work for them LOL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of Farrukh Haroon
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 3:21 AM
>>>>> To: Cisco certification
>>>>> Subject: CCIE R&S Decline
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear All
>>>>>
>>>>> I came across this interesting link, I was wondering how or why the
CCIE
>>>>> RnS count could go down by almost 1k in less than a year? The actual
figure
>>>>> might be even higher than 2k (if you look at the nice math at the end
of
>>>>> that link<wink> )
>>>>>
>>>>> Was the recession so tough that people could not afford for the
written exam
>>>>> fees and few hours of study to renew their cert?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://bradreese.com/blog/5-24-2011.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Farrukh
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. I have confirmed those stats myself from one CCIE Live/Networkers
>>>>> presentation (have a live pass)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
Received on Mon Jul 11 2011 - 17:12:04 ART