Re: CCIE R&S Decline

*How many students (in %) had attended your bootcamp and haven't tried*

*to pass CCIE for more than 6 month?*

*I have not looked at the percentage, but you have to understand that it
takes longer than 6 months to prepare for this certification. *

*Or even stopped preparing at all?*

*Probably one percent maybe 2 at the most.*

*Are students paying for bootcamp themselves or sponsored by employee?*

*(Or majority of them)*

*I think its 50/50. But if the firm that you are working for is not paying
for your CCIE journey, you should pay it yourself; after all its your
future.*

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Vladimir Osipenko <tiffolk_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Well, just interesting.
> How many students (in %) had attended your bootcamp and haven't tried
> to pass CCIE for more than 6 month? Or even stopped preparing at all?
> [I am confused about grammar in above sentence, someone please correct
> tenses]
>
> And probably one more Q, (if it is not a secret =) ).
> Are students paying for bootcamp themselves or sponsored by employee?
> (Or majority of them)
>
> Just to know how people are motivated.
>
> On 11 July 2011 23:34, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > Also remember that more CCIEs are going for multiple tracks, whereas, in
> the
> > old days more people were focused on a single track.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> This may sound like a surprise but from what i hear and see there is a
> >> shortage of CCIEs around the world. It all depends who you talk to, if
> they
> >> are doing well, they will tell you "*yeh CCIE classes are going well,
> >> consulting is doing unbelievable and etc etc etc .......*" But if you
> talk
> >> to a person that is not doing as well, you will hear a lot of sad
> >> music/story about the economy.
> >>
> >> Michael,
> >> One of the major reasons for rack rental or price reduction is the fact
> >> that there are more companies offering CCIE classes, and when it comes
> to
> >> boot camps, they are offering a much better and more comprehensive
> program
> >> than *some* of the old ones used to offer.
> >>
> >> When it comes to rack rentals, i think we have the BEST pricing, but
> it's
> >> on a monthly basis, some of the other ones have a fantastic deal on an 8
> >> hour intervals, so you see you have lots of choices. In the old days
> there
> >> were ONLY few vendors that offered Boot Camps, nowadays you have more
> >> choices.
> >>
> >> I travel all over the world, and no matter where i go, CCIEs are in high
> >> and i mean HIGH demand. When the economy goes down, CERTS like CCIE
> becomes
> >> a MUST, the more CERTs (That you can backup the knowledge) you have the
> >> easier it is to get a consulting gig or a permanent position.
> >>
> >> I do not see any issues as far as Training and consulting is concerned
> when
> >> it comes to CCIE Cert.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Michael Kiefer <mjkiefer_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>> I can tell you that I've been studying for the IE for quite some time
> now.
> >>> I
> >>> started in 2008. I played around for a few years and got serious in the
> >>> last
> >>> 18 months.
> >>>
> >>> It seems like rack rentals were a pain to get when I first started
> >>> studying.
> >>> Now I can get them anytime with little to no notice.
> >>>
> >>> Vendors are damn near giving stuff away. It wasn't that way in 2008.
> >>>
> >>> The recession has taken a huge toll on the economy.
> >>>
> >>> Cisco isn't going off a cliff. They are a big company and they just
> aren't
> >>> as nimble as some of the competition.
> >>>
> >>> The one thing I can't figure out about Mr. Reese is if he hates Cisco
> so
> >>> much, why sell their gear!
> >>>
> >>> Oh yeah..... It's probably 90% of his business.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:20 AM, Farrukh Haroon <
> farrukhharoon_at_gmail.com
> >>> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Dear All
> >>> >
> >>> > I came across this interesting link, I was wondering how or why the
> >>> CCIE
> >>> > RnS count could go down by almost 1k in less than a year? The actual
> >>> figure
> >>> > might be even higher than 2k (if you look at the nice math at the end
> of
> >>> > that link <wink> )
> >>> >
> >>> > Was the recession so tough that people could not afford for the
> written
> >>> > exam
> >>> > fees and few hours of study to renew their cert?
> >>> >
> >>> > http://bradreese.com/blog/5-24-2011.htm
> >>> >
> >>> > Regards
> >>> >
> >>> > Farrukh
> >>> >
> >>> > P.S. I have confirmed those stats myself from one CCIE
> Live/Networkers
> >>> > presentation (have a live pass)
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> >>> >
> >>> >
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> *Narbik Kocharians
> >> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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*Narbik Kocharians
*CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
www.MicronicsTraining.com <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
Sr. Technical Instructor
*Ask about our FREE Lab Voucher with our Boot Camps*
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