Re: CCIE R&S Decline

We were talking about decrease in CCIE's. Cisco claims that the reason
is people dieing.
You gave me a link to an article about multiple CCIE Scott Morris,
which ends with the words "RIP".

Er?

On 11 July 2011 22:24, ccieagent <ccieagent_at_verizon.net> wrote:
> http://www.ccieflyer.com/2011-01-Scott_Morris.php
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Vladimir Osipenko
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 2:17 PM
> To: -Hammer-
> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE R&S Decline
>
> Who is Scott Morris?
>
> On 11 July 2011 19:18, -Hammer- <bhmccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> Marc,
>> You just lost about 2/3rds of the audience with the Highlander
>> reference. :) You'll have to reference Scott as "Syler" from "Heroes"
>> for the young folk.
>>
>> -Hammer-
>>
>> "I was a normal American nerd"
>> -Jack Herer
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/11/2011 09:57 AM, marc abel wrote:
>>> I don't know. I heard that if you kill a CCIE you get his power.
>>> Maybe Scott Morris is hunting them down all Highlander style. This
>>> could account for the high number of deaths.
>>>
>>>
>>> There can be only one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
>>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry I'm not buying death as even a top 10 candidate for the decline in
> ccie's...
>>>>
>>>> Assume the cert became availabe in 1993 and the average age of a
>>>> passee for the life of the program was 37 (I'll even let you make
>>>> this an unbelievable 50!!!)
>>>>
>>>> The actuarial odds of 1,000 of say HALF of 17,000 (let's assume half
> passed in the first 10 years of the program) or 8500 BEFORE age 70 with a
> western style of living, would mean no one under 70 would be allowed life
> insurance to say the least :).
>>>>
>>>> So, let's end that old maid's tale Cisco would find convienient that
> their premier certification is LOSING head count due to deaths...
>>>>
>>>> It's not credible. I'm sure you can go lookup what percent of
>>>> males/females making what a ccie averages globally die before age 70
>>>> in countries like USA, Belgium, England, Japan... (And we know I let
>>>> you use "50" when its probably more like "37" for median age, so we
>>>> are really talking about 57 year olds dropping dead...)
>>>>
>>>> I would say the top 10 reasons for the decline are:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Lack of interest in renewing (in same career). Didn't get raise or 20
> year old hot secretary they wanted for passing...
>>>>
>>>> 2. Change of job role, no need to renew (in same career, but say move to
> management).
>>>>
>>>> 3. Chage of careers cert no longer needed
>>>>
>>>> 4. Unfamiliar/intimidated with new topics (how many of us have
>>>> worked with an "old timer ccie" who was not able to say how to
>>>> config mpls or modern qos???)
>>>>
>>>> 5. Unaware they RECENTLY expired. Yes cisco did JUST start emailing
>>>> people these last few months... (a good half of the drops could be
>>>> already planning on Retaking the written or more per your data, we
>>>> don't know)
>>>>
>>>> 6. Disenfranchisement with the requirement they recertify - I hear
>>>> many older ccie's think that like the retired California Highway
>>>> Patrol "Commissioner Emeritus" on late night tv (admit you have seen
>>>> him NOW!) they should be able to "wear their uniform" years after
>>>> they retire... So they just let it expire as a protest
>>>>
>>>> 7. Went on to the "10 years" ccie emeritus program catchall and
>>>> think this is acceptible enough (5 recerts could probably do this to
>>>> anyone)
>>>>
>>>> 8. Wife and kids won't allow them time to study. (See "The Shining"
>>>> starring Jack Nicholson for a possible solution to get your ccie
>>>> back)
>>>>
>>>> 9. Fraud. Many passed or skated using dumps and just didn't value the
> cert. I'm sure the 5 guys with the same name in Bejing who passed ALL on the
> SAME day a few years back didn't need the cert again...
>>>>
>>>> 10. Retirement from Cisco (Many of the early passers worked there). They
> just don't need the cert anymore as it was part of a career they retired
> honorably from. Not bad if you made it out with above water stock options :)
> and you saved well.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Vladimir Osipenko [mailto:tiffolk_at_gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 07:57 AM
>>>> To: Joseph L. Brunner
>>>> Cc: Farrukh Haroon<farrukhharoon_at_gmail.com>; Cisco
>>>> certification<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: CCIE R&S Decline
>>>>
>>>> And you know, people sometimes die...
>>>>
>>>> On 11 July 2011 11:47, Joseph L. Brunner<joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No the need is down so the demand is down...
>>>>>
>>>>> How many people are building new big expensive networks in a
> depression?
>>>>>
>>>>> How many US banks are just "keeping what they have running"?
>>>>>
>>>>> How many new global players that are building new networks are using
> Juniper?
>>>>>
>>>>> Look around these days - its mostly professional services firms
>>>>> hiring CCIE's - and who wants to work for them LOL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Farrukh Haroon
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 3:21 AM
>>>>> To: Cisco certification
>>>>> Subject: CCIE R&S Decline
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear All
>>>>>
>>>>> I came across this interesting link, I was wondering how or why
>>>>> the CCIE RnS count could go down by almost 1k in less than a year?
>>>>> The actual figure might be even higher than 2k (if you look at the
>>>>> nice math at the end of that link<wink> )
>>>>>
>>>>> Was the recession so tough that people could not afford for the
>>>>> written exam fees and few hours of study to renew their cert?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://bradreese.com/blog/5-24-2011.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Farrukh
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. I have confirmed those stats myself from one CCIE
>>>>> Live/Networkers presentation (have a live pass)
>>>>>
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