Re: OT (Hint: maybe on-topic if you need to need help)

Darby:

Some of what you right has relevance most of it is useless bantering.
Some of it was down right offensive to many up and coming CCIEs and
that is why you are receiving negative attention.

Just don't forget that attaining a CCIE and teaching are completely
different. I agree many will start to instruct to sharpen skills. I
have walked that road. I see myself make constant mistakes in review.
Good news is that I do review and it pushes my understanding to the
next level. I also can differentiate the two and I will prbably be
teaching much less as I round the conner for my first attempt.

As you stated, most of what is required to be learned is directly off
the doc CD's. Sometimes while I go through INE's volume 1 and then I
find the related doc CD, it is like a morphed copy. Students can take
note of that because most of the leg work can be done right from
there. But what Brian McGhan, Brian Dennis, Kieth Barker, Anthony
Sequiera, and many of the other moguls who have laid down tape for the
INE archives offer is the human element doc CD's can't provide. I am
sure your friend Narbik is great. He is already legendary. But point
is that he is one of many and more expensive than most.

As I probably should have unicasted last post. I think this one will
hopefully (in a polite) manner try to redirect this as relavant
information. I do suggest you review your own writings to also improve
your delivery and technique.

Regards,

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> renorider... interesting name
>
> I type pretty quickly most of the time and actually waste suprisingly little
> time in the scheme of things conveying my thoughts.
>
> This post was flagged as off-topic and done so for a reason.
>
> Lots of people filter OT topics - not a bad idea if you think about it.
>
> Darby
>
> http://www.darbyslogs.blogspot.com
>
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 6:42 PM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe if you spent more time on topic and using this post for its
>> designated purpose you would have your ccie #. Certainly brag about all the
>> classes you attend. Put you money where your mouth is and stop wasting all
>> our time
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> On May 1, 2011 3:23 PM, "Darby Weaver" <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > And to think - I thought I was a rather quiet low-key guy most of the
>> > time
>> > who spends the better part of my day working and I daresay the better
>> > part
>> > of my life doing the same...
>> >
>> > :)
>> >
>> > The only thing worse than crediting a guy like Narbik for a class which
>> > I
>> > worked from 9am till 3am every day except Thursday - Thursday I did not
>> > go
>> > to sleep till Friday until about 3pm actually - the only thing worse
>> > would
>> > be giving old H.U. credit for ability yo stir brain cells.
>> >
>> > When is the last time any of you cared for a class given by an
>> > instructor
>> > who could motivate you to stay awake and interested all week long given
>> > this
>> > kind of deeply intensive material?
>> >
>> > Which class? Which instructor? When?
>> >
>> > Hmmm?
>> >
>> >
>> > Who?
>> >
>> > Which one? Put the tail on the donkey and let's give these guys some
>> > credit too.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > This is even with being given two very interestingly tough exams of the
>> > NMC
>> > CheckIT / Cisco 360 Graded Labs... all in the same week (technically 3
>> > since
>> > the Troubleshooting exam was in there).
>> >
>> > Which instructors stayed with the class some 12-15+ hours per day -
>> > every
>> > day?
>> >
>> > Now while most of the class only got the 12-15 hour dog and pony show -
>> > I
>> > started out with Narbik Sunday for some ~6 or so hours till 3am and it
>> > never
>> > stopped - every night, one after the other.
>> >
>> > People need to know what to expect when we are investing time, money,
>> > and
>> > opportunity to go a training class like this.
>> >
>> > While some of you have been on this list for years and years - others
>> > are
>> > just getting started...
>> >
>> > If I told people I did INE's Workbook and the 2007/2008 edition of
>> > Narbik's
>> > workbook side by side with the DOC CD at my finger tips - then they'd
>> > know
>> > that the two cover the material nearly identically - sans the labout
>> > with
>> > the DOC CD's format.
>> >
>> > Ok - So now a student can choose to buy one or the other but never EVER
>> > needs both.
>> >
>> > Now if I tell you that the latest version of Narbik's workbooks and
>> > Bootcamp
>> > version has more filtering tricks and a lot more explanation... then the
>> > clear choice is going to be these new workbooks.
>> >
>> > Ooopss!!! Someone now needs to make a choice for one volume versus the
>> > other.
>> >
>> > Now if/when I see Narbik's TS versus INE's TS, there is another choice
>> > to be
>> > made.
>> >
>> > Same for the 360 Workbook versus the INE Workbook Vol II/III - If the
>> > Cisco
>> > 360 has 35 labs full labs or lab plus troubleshooting and the INE has 20
>> > +
>> > 10 (core labs) then a prospective buyer can make a choice.
>> >
>> > Now for Video - INE has much more sheer content. No doubt.
>> >
>> > However, if material is clear and succinct in the workbooks - anyone's -
>> > um... why buy 2 or more vendors? Extra expense.
>> >
>> > Each vendor has out-done themselves year after year - my compliments.
>> > No
>> > doubt.
>> >
>> > Now this game is in the last inning and we all need to know that we can
>> > pretty much invest in a single vendor and be done with it.
>> >
>> > Umm... kinda funny how a lot of CCIE's are chiming in on the topic
>> > versus
>> > candidates....
>> >
>> > Hint: Groupstudy is for those who need to earn the CCIE, give the new
>> > guys
>> > and us old CCIE candidates some room to breath.
>> >
>> > I keep wondering if there is some super-mystery that keeps CCIE's
>> > hanging on
>> > forever to re-learn frame relay or maybe spanning-tree or something.
>> > :)_._
>> >
>> > When I get a moment - I'll cover this topic in the CCIE Flyer maybe...
>> > some
>> > people cover the blueprint and some go beyond.
>> >
>> >
>> > Darby
>> >
>> > http://www.darbyslogs.blogspot.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Travis Niedens <niedentj_at_hotmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > It's probably some psychological issue dealing with a need for
>> > > attention;
>> > > its a vicious cycle that we have endured for years and Paul refuses to
>> > > break
>> > > it.
>> > >
>> > > > CC: sdibias_at_gmail.com; darby.weaver_at_gmail.com;
>> > > > ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> > > > From: maniac.smg_at_gmail.com
>> > >
>> > > > Subject: Re: OT (Hint: maybe on-topic if you need to need help)
>> > > 1-800-GET-NARBIK
>> > > > Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 21:32:55 +0200
>> > > > To: sameoj_at_gmail.com
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Was just about to say. Why does this happen everytime Darby makes a
>> > > > reappearance ?
>> > > >
>> > > > CCIE # 23962 (SP)
>> > > >
>> > > > Sent from my iPhone 4
>> > > >
>> > > > On 30 Apr 2011, at 8:23 PM, oluwaseyi ojo <sameoj_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Darby and his controversial character,welcome back!!!!!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On 4/30/11, Steve Di Bias <sdibias_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >> Darby I wasn't agreeing with you, I was agreeing with Ernest. I'm
>> > > > >> sure
>> > > > >> you're a good guy however bashing vendors in a public forum is
>> > > > >> just
>> > > plain
>> > > > >> wrong. I myself am a customer of one of the "expert" vendors and
>> > > > >> the
>> > > > >> materials, as well as the support that I get are second to none.
>> > > Marko,
>> > > > >> Scott, Narbik, Tyson and all the others are all excellent
>> > > > >> instructors,
>> > > and
>> > > > >> we should be grateful they exist, all of them have helped me
>> > > tremondously
>> > > > in
>> > > > >> my CCIE preperation, as well as my career. However that being
>> > > > >> said I'm
>> > > > going
>> > > > >> back to my studies and disengaging from this worthless thread.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Cheers!
>> > > > >> On Apr 30, 2011 6:30 AM, "Darby Weaver" <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > >>> I totally agree with you guys - those materials that are half
>> > > > >>> baked
>> > > or
>> > > > >> NEVER
>> > > > >>> materialize are also uncalled for...
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Who remembers buying audio from from one company that was never
>> > > > >> finished...
>> > > > >>> even after it was discontinued...
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Who remembers buying video from the came company for labs...
>> > > apparently
>> > > > >> not
>> > > > >>> profitable enough for continuation and so it too was
>> > > > >>> abandoned...
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> But wait!!! Only later the same sets of videos re-appear as a
>> > > > >>> "NEW"
>> > > > >>> product... that can be purchased yet again!
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> That's uncalled for...
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Dude!
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Some of these companies that do this kind of stuff really are
>> > > uncalled
>> > > > for
>> > > > >>> and if everyone who gets shucked and jived speaks up about
>> > > > >>> it....
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> A lot less of us would ever be calling them again.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> But, hey.. that's uncalled for.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> None of them would ever call for any of the "stuff" they say or
>> > > > >>> do to
>> > > be
>> > > > >>> known publicly... that would be uncalled for.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Anyone else need to more about what and why this kind of stuff
>> > > > >>> is
>> > > > uncalled
>> > > > >>> for?
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Look back in the day... we took the *Expert companies at their
>> > > > >>> word
>> > > since
>> > > > >>> after all they had "expert" in the work and started with "I" so
>> > > > >>> I'm
>> > > sure
>> > > > >> in
>> > > > >>> the back of all of our naive minds... we were collectively
>> > > thinking... if
>> > > > >>> "I" learn from these "experts" then one day "I" would be an
>> > > > >>> "expert"
>> > > > >> too...
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Follow the Master
>> > > > >>> Walk Beside the Master
>> > > > >>> Be the Master
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> The problem was and still is that some of these guys... not all
>> > > > >>> of
>> > > > them...
>> > > > >>> may have never actually worked on a production network at all or
>> > > never
>> > > > >> were
>> > > > >>> "the guy" in the first place and so not all of their well
>> > > > >>> intentioned
>> > > > labs
>> > > > >>> are wholely baked or worse... like that one guy who keeps trying
>> > > > >>> to
>> > > > >>> undermine an accepted manner of performing a task.... his
>> > > > >>> experiments
>> > > are
>> > > > >> on
>> > > > >>> a limited set of equipment - so while what he says may be true
>> > > > >>> for
>> > > 3-4
>> > > > >>> devices or even in a small rack... (which in the example of one
>> > > > >>> of
>> > > the
>> > > > >>> "MYTH" series is clearly mentioned on Cisco's site by the
>> > > > >>> way)...
>> > > he's
>> > > > >>> cluelessly happy thinking he "debunked" a myth or something...
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Others read it, respect the guy for whatever reason, and commit
>> > > > >>> that
>> > > to
>> > > > >>> their accepted beliefs without really checking the facts...
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Dis-Service to the community.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> I'd say stuff like that is uncalled for.... totally uncalled
>> > > > >>> for...
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Truthfully - If I were shopping for a class or a vendor at this
>> > > moment...
>> > > > >>> I'd shop around... that's really called for.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Vendors who put people they never heard of or never even
>> > > > >>> attended
>> > > their
>> > > > >>> classes bought their products or were totally dis-satisfied with
>> > > their
>> > > > >>> products and then using those people and their CCIE numbers
>> > > > >>> quite
>> > > > >> FALSELY...
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> I'd say that is totally uncalled for.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Check the archives here on GS and use Google to find the slimy
>> > > "*Expert"
>> > > > >>> companies who fit the M.O....
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Darby
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> http://www.darbyslogs.blogspot.com
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Steve Di Bias
>> > > > >>> <sdibias_at_gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>> Agrred, totally uncalled for :/
>> > > > >>>> On Apr 29, 2011 10:23 PM, "Ernest McCaleb" <emccaleb_at_gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > >>>>> Uncalled for Darby...
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> Ernest McCaleb #21508
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> - As the diameter of a circle of light increases, so does its
>> > > > >>>> circumference
>> > > > >>>>> of darkness. --Albert Einstein
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Darby Weaver <
>> > > darby.weaver_at_gmail.com
>> > > > >>>>> wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> Here's the last segment of the Life with Narbik this week.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > http://darbyslogs.blogspot.com/2011/04/last-day-at-narbiks-bootcamp-1-800-get
>> > > > .html
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> I had a thought about some of the training videos (or even
>> > > classes)
>> > > > >>>> where
>> > > > >>>>>> the material/instructor, etc are having difficulty when they
>> > > > >>>>>> don't
>> > > > >>>> shave,
>> > > > >>>>>> rehearse, or cannot even troubleshoot 2-4 routers on a
>> > > > >>>>>> toplogy
>> > > they
>> > > > >>>> created
>> > > > >>>>>> or at least should have worked out prior to getting in public
>> > > > >>>>>> in
>> > > front
>> > > > >>>> of
>> > > > >>>>>> paying students...
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> My advice:
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> 1. If you are one of these instructors - GET HELP -
>> > > > >>>>>> Immediately...
>> > > > >> Call
>> > > > >>>>>> Narbik (1-800-GET-NARBIK) - It's not too late the class you
>> > > > >>>>>> save
>> > > may
>> > > > >> be
>> > > > >>>>>> your
>> > > > >>>>>> own.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> 2. If you are a student... ask the offending training company
>> > > > >>>>>> to
>> > > send
>> > > > >>>> you
>> > > > >>>>>> Narbik's class instead of theirs for a repeat of the last
>> > > > >>>>>> time
>> > > they
>> > > > >> may
>> > > > >>>>>> have
>> > > > >>>>>> botched the job (not 100% just a little... every botch costs
>> > > > >>>>>> you
>> > > > >>>>>> mistakes...)...
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> I'm writing this as a bit of a joke...
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> However, I've seen videos where well-known and reputable
>> > > instructors
>> > > > >>>> have
>> > > > >>>>>> absolutely no sense of professionalism (yawning, unshaven,
>> > > unprepared
>> > > > >>>>>> sometimes), make glaring mistakes... (even in CCNA/CCNP level
>> > > topics
>> > > > >> as
>> > > > >>>> a
>> > > > >>>>>> CCIE no less) and the list goes on and one and on...
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> I've heard CCIE instructors marvel at Narbik's command
>> > > > >>>>>> retention
>> > > or
>> > > > >> even
>> > > > >>>>>> scold the man for not using slides... they hate it.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> Now watch carefully as some of the pitifully clueless (who
>> > > > >>>>>> are
>> > > > >> probably
>> > > > >>>>>> guilty as charged) get really upset at me again... for their
>> > > > >>>>>> own
>> > > > >>>>>> inadequacy...
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> If this is you... STOP - GET HELP... Call 1-800-GET-NARBIK
>> > > > >>>>>> today!
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> Don't let another class of students leave wondering how in
>> > > > >>>>>> the
>> > > hell
>> > > > >> you
>> > > > >>>>>> were
>> > > > >>>>>> going to resolve that problem, why you fast-forwarded the
>> > > > >>>>>> video,
>> > > or
>> > > > >>>> worse
>> > > > >>>>>> never completed the thing... cause of um... "techncial
>> > > > >> difficulties"....
>> > > > >>>>>> etc.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> And if you need a class - take a moment and think about it...
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> Talk to your instructor -ask him/her about the competition
>> > > > >>>>>> and be
>> > > > >>>> nice...
>> > > > >>>>>> ask about all of them you care to and then ask them about
>> > > > >>>>>> Narbik
>> > > and
>> > > > >>>> what
>> > > > >>>>>> they are going to do better or at least... the best they can
>> > > > >>>>>> do to
>> > > > >>>>>> compete... they gotta eat too... and need your dime and
>> > > > >>>>>> support to
>> > > pay
>> > > > >>>> for
>> > > > >>>>>> their addiction...
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> Guys... you know who you are... it's your turn... I know you
>> > > > >>>>>> are
>> > > out
>> > > > >>>>>> there... speak up - you can unicast... some CCIE instructors
>> > > > >>>>>> know
>> > > the
>> > > > >>>>>> difference.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> Darby
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> --
>> > > > >>>>>> Darby Weaver
>> > > > >>>>>> Network Engineer
>> > > > >>>>>> http://www.darbyslogs.blogspot.com
>> > > > >>>>>>
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