Re: OT (Hint: maybe on-topic if you need to need help)

Man I feel for darby's coworkers. They have to deal with him on a daily basis.

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-----Original Message-----
From: marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com>
Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 15:42:22
To: Darby Weaver<darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>
Reply-To: marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com>
Cc: <sameoj_at_gmail.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>; Travis Niedens<niedentj_at_hotmail.com>; <sdibias_at_gmail.com>; <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: OT (Hint: maybe on-topic if you need to need help)
  1-800-GET-NARBIK

Maybe if you spent more time on topic and using this post for its designated
purpose you would have your ccie #. Certainly brag about all the classes you
attend. Put you money where your mouth is and stop wasting all our time

Marc
On May 1, 2011 3:23 PM, "Darby Weaver" <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And to think - I thought I was a rather quiet low-key guy most of the time
> who spends the better part of my day working and I daresay the better part
> of my life doing the same...
>
> :)
>
> The only thing worse than crediting a guy like Narbik for a class which I
> worked from 9am till 3am every day except Thursday - Thursday I did not go
> to sleep till Friday until about 3pm actually - the only thing worse would
> be giving old H.U. credit for ability yo stir brain cells.
>
> When is the last time any of you cared for a class given by an instructor
> who could motivate you to stay awake and interested all week long given
this
> kind of deeply intensive material?
>
> Which class? Which instructor? When?
>
> Hmmm?
>
>
> Who?
>
> Which one? Put the tail on the donkey and let's give these guys some
> credit too.
>
>
>
> This is even with being given two very interestingly tough exams of the
NMC
> CheckIT / Cisco 360 Graded Labs... all in the same week (technically 3
since
> the Troubleshooting exam was in there).
>
> Which instructors stayed with the class some 12-15+ hours per day - every
> day?
>
> Now while most of the class only got the 12-15 hour dog and pony show - I
> started out with Narbik Sunday for some ~6 or so hours till 3am and it
never
> stopped - every night, one after the other.
>
> People need to know what to expect when we are investing time, money, and
> opportunity to go a training class like this.
>
> While some of you have been on this list for years and years - others are
> just getting started...
>
> If I told people I did INE's Workbook and the 2007/2008 edition of
Narbik's
> workbook side by side with the DOC CD at my finger tips - then they'd know
> that the two cover the material nearly identically - sans the labout with
> the DOC CD's format.
>
> Ok - So now a student can choose to buy one or the other but never EVER
> needs both.
>
> Now if I tell you that the latest version of Narbik's workbooks and
Bootcamp
> version has more filtering tricks and a lot more explanation... then the
> clear choice is going to be these new workbooks.
>
> Ooopss!!! Someone now needs to make a choice for one volume versus the
> other.
>
> Now if/when I see Narbik's TS versus INE's TS, there is another choice to
be
> made.
>
> Same for the 360 Workbook versus the INE Workbook Vol II/III - If the
Cisco
> 360 has 35 labs full labs or lab plus troubleshooting and the INE has 20 +
> 10 (core labs) then a prospective buyer can make a choice.
>
> Now for Video - INE has much more sheer content. No doubt.
>
> However, if material is clear and succinct in the workbooks - anyone's -
> um... why buy 2 or more vendors? Extra expense.
>
> Each vendor has out-done themselves year after year - my compliments. No
> doubt.
>
> Now this game is in the last inning and we all need to know that we can
> pretty much invest in a single vendor and be done with it.
>
> Umm... kinda funny how a lot of CCIE's are chiming in on the topic versus
> candidates....
>
> Hint: Groupstudy is for those who need to earn the CCIE, give the new guys
> and us old CCIE candidates some room to breath.
>
> I keep wondering if there is some super-mystery that keeps CCIE's hanging
on
> forever to re-learn frame relay or maybe spanning-tree or something.
 :)_._
>
> When I get a moment - I'll cover this topic in the CCIE Flyer maybe...
 some
> people cover the blueprint and some go beyond.
>
>
> Darby
>
> http://www.darbyslogs.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Travis Niedens <niedentj_at_hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > It's probably some psychological issue dealing with a need for
attention;
> > its a vicious cycle that we have endured for years and Paul refuses to
break
> > it.
> >
> > > CC: sdibias_at_gmail.com; darby.weaver_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > From: maniac.smg_at_gmail.com
> >
> > > Subject: Re: OT (Hint: maybe on-topic if you need to need help)
> > 1-800-GET-NARBIK
> > > Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 21:32:55 +0200
> > > To: sameoj_at_gmail.com
> >
> > >
> > > Was just about to say. Why does this happen everytime Darby makes a
> > > reappearance ?
> > >
> > > CCIE # 23962 (SP)
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone 4
> > >
> > > On 30 Apr 2011, at 8:23 PM, oluwaseyi ojo <sameoj_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Darby and his controversial character,welcome back!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > On 4/30/11, Steve Di Bias <sdibias_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> Darby I wasn't agreeing with you, I was agreeing with Ernest. I'm
sure
> > > >> you're a good guy however bashing vendors in a public forum is just
> > plain
> > > >> wrong. I myself am a customer of one of the "expert" vendors and
the
> > > >> materials, as well as the support that I get are second to none.
> > Marko,
> > > >> Scott, Narbik, Tyson and all the others are all excellent
instructors,
> > and
> > > >> we should be grateful they exist, all of them have helped me
> > tremondously
> > > in
> > > >> my CCIE preperation, as well as my career. However that being said
I'm
> > > going
> > > >> back to my studies and disengaging from this worthless thread.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers!
> > > >> On Apr 30, 2011 6:30 AM, "Darby Weaver" <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>> I totally agree with you guys - those materials that are half
baked
> > or
> > > >> NEVER
> > > >>> materialize are also uncalled for...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Who remembers buying audio from from one company that was never
> > > >> finished...
> > > >>> even after it was discontinued...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Who remembers buying video from the came company for labs...
> > apparently
> > > >> not
> > > >>> profitable enough for continuation and so it too was abandoned...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> But wait!!! Only later the same sets of videos re-appear as a
"NEW"
> > > >>> product... that can be purchased yet again!
> > > >>>
> > > >>> That's uncalled for...
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Dude!
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Some of these companies that do this kind of stuff really are
> > uncalled
> > > for
> > > >>> and if everyone who gets shucked and jived speaks up about it....
> > > >>>
> > > >>> A lot less of us would ever be calling them again.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> But, hey.. that's uncalled for.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> None of them would ever call for any of the "stuff" they say or do
to
> > be
> > > >>> known publicly... that would be uncalled for.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Anyone else need to more about what and why this kind of stuff is
> > > uncalled
> > > >>> for?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Look back in the day... we took the *Expert companies at their
word
> > since
> > > >>> after all they had "expert" in the work and started with "I" so
I'm
> > sure
> > > >> in
> > > >>> the back of all of our naive minds... we were collectively
> > thinking... if
> > > >>> "I" learn from these "experts" then one day "I" would be an
"expert"
> > > >> too...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Follow the Master
> > > >>> Walk Beside the Master
> > > >>> Be the Master
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The problem was and still is that some of these guys... not all of
> > > them...
> > > >>> may have never actually worked on a production network at all or
> > never
> > > >> were
> > > >>> "the guy" in the first place and so not all of their well
intentioned
> > > labs
> > > >>> are wholely baked or worse... like that one guy who keeps trying
to
> > > >>> undermine an accepted manner of performing a task.... his
experiments
> > are
> > > >> on
> > > >>> a limited set of equipment - so while what he says may be true for
> > 3-4
> > > >>> devices or even in a small rack... (which in the example of one of
> > the
> > > >>> "MYTH" series is clearly mentioned on Cisco's site by the way)...
> > he's
> > > >>> cluelessly happy thinking he "debunked" a myth or something...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Others read it, respect the guy for whatever reason, and commit
that
> > to
> > > >>> their accepted beliefs without really checking the facts...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Dis-Service to the community.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'd say stuff like that is uncalled for.... totally uncalled
for...
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Truthfully - If I were shopping for a class or a vendor at this
> > moment...
> > > >>> I'd shop around... that's really called for.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Vendors who put people they never heard of or never even attended
> > their
> > > >>> classes bought their products or were totally dis-satisfied with
> > their
> > > >>> products and then using those people and their CCIE numbers quite
> > > >> FALSELY...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'd say that is totally uncalled for.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Check the archives here on GS and use Google to find the slimy
> > "*Expert"
> > > >>> companies who fit the M.O....
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Darby
> > > >>>
> > > >>> http://www.darbyslogs.blogspot.com
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Steve Di Bias <sdibias_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Agrred, totally uncalled for :/
> > > >>>> On Apr 29, 2011 10:23 PM, "Ernest McCaleb" <emccaleb_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>>> Uncalled for Darby...
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Ernest McCaleb #21508
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> - As the diameter of a circle of light increases, so does its
> > > >>>> circumference
> > > >>>>> of darkness. --Albert Einstein
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Darby Weaver <
> > darby.weaver_at_gmail.com
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Here's the last segment of the Life with Narbik this week.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
http://darbyslogs.blogspot.com/2011/04/last-day-at-narbiks-bootcamp-1-800-get
> > > .html
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I had a thought about some of the training videos (or even
> > classes)
> > > >>>> where
> > > >>>>>> the material/instructor, etc are having difficulty when they
don't
> > > >>>> shave,
> > > >>>>>> rehearse, or cannot even troubleshoot 2-4 routers on a toplogy
> > they
> > > >>>> created
> > > >>>>>> or at least should have worked out prior to getting in public
in
> > front
> > > >>>> of
> > > >>>>>> paying students...
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> My advice:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> 1. If you are one of these instructors - GET HELP -
Immediately...
> > > >> Call
> > > >>>>>> Narbik (1-800-GET-NARBIK) - It's not too late the class you
save
> > may
> > > >> be
> > > >>>>>> your
> > > >>>>>> own.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> 2. If you are a student... ask the offending training company
to
> > send
> > > >>>> you
> > > >>>>>> Narbik's class instead of theirs for a repeat of the last time
> > they
> > > >> may
> > > >>>>>> have
> > > >>>>>> botched the job (not 100% just a little... every botch costs
you
> > > >>>>>> mistakes...)...
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I'm writing this as a bit of a joke...
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> However, I've seen videos where well-known and reputable
> > instructors
> > > >>>> have
> > > >>>>>> absolutely no sense of professionalism (yawning, unshaven,
> > unprepared
> > > >>>>>> sometimes), make glaring mistakes... (even in CCNA/CCNP level
> > topics
> > > >> as
> > > >>>> a
> > > >>>>>> CCIE no less) and the list goes on and one and on...
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I've heard CCIE instructors marvel at Narbik's command
retention
> > or
> > > >> even
> > > >>>>>> scold the man for not using slides... they hate it.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Now watch carefully as some of the pitifully clueless (who are
> > > >> probably
> > > >>>>>> guilty as charged) get really upset at me again... for their
own
> > > >>>>>> inadequacy...
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> If this is you... STOP - GET HELP... Call 1-800-GET-NARBIK
today!
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Don't let another class of students leave wondering how in the
> > hell
> > > >> you
> > > >>>>>> were
> > > >>>>>> going to resolve that problem, why you fast-forwarded the
video,
> > or
> > > >>>> worse
> > > >>>>>> never completed the thing... cause of um... "techncial
> > > >> difficulties"....
> > > >>>>>> etc.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> And if you need a class - take a moment and think about it...
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Talk to your instructor -ask him/her about the competition and
be
> > > >>>> nice...
> > > >>>>>> ask about all of them you care to and then ask them about
Narbik
> > and
> > > >>>> what
> > > >>>>>> they are going to do better or at least... the best they can do
to
> > > >>>>>> compete... they gotta eat too... and need your dime and support
to
> > pay
> > > >>>> for
> > > >>>>>> their addiction...
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Guys... you know who you are... it's your turn... I know you
are
> > out
> > > >>>>>> there... speak up - you can unicast... some CCIE instructors
know
> > the
> > > >>>>>> difference.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Darby
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>> Darby Weaver
> > > >>>>>> Network Engineer
> > > >>>>>> http://www.darbyslogs.blogspot.com
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>
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> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> Darby Weaver
> > > >>> Network Engineer
> > > >>> http://www.darbyslogs.blogspot.com
> > > >>>
> > > >>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
> > > >>
> > > >>
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> > > >>
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> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Ojo Oluwaseyi O. CEng,FBCS
> > > CITP,MNSE,MCPN,MNCS,CRISC,CEI,LPT,CCSI#33076,CCIE
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