Re: cisco labs !!!!!!!!!!

Nick,

Fully agree with you. Hey let us know the outcome of the dinner with John Chambers :-)

Regards

Roger

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On 13.04.2011, at 15:45, Carl Gosselin <carl.gosselin_at_altizone.com> wrote:

> Nick,
>
> The concerns you raise are valid concerns but most of those are already
> passed. The code has been released on the net.
>
> For that matter, any company that decides to copy the Cisco Intellectual
> Property can do so (dare I mention a Chinese supplier??) depending on the
> support of the local government.
>
> Regarding the cost, they already have a delivery chain so adding this new
> software on the choices of IOS version is not that much of a stretch (just
> have to be compiled and released on Unix platform). Besides they do all of
> that today for their internal needs.
>
> Also nobody says they should do it for free.... They should be able to have
> a small service contract to allow registered partners and customers access
> to that software download. All of these processes are in place today but
> that could mean extra manpower so yes a small fee should be required.
>
> Microsoft does all this for $500USD yearly.
>
> The learning network's offering is good thing for the community is general
> but really it is Cisco's training PNL looking to get revenue from the rack
> rental business without having to pay for the hardware. This is bad business
> because Cisco's is hurting the companies that have helped them grow the
> overall knowledge base of their core technologies. They will also sell less
> hardware if the rack rentals can't make a profit...
>
> I can't comment on the the quality of the 360 Program but bringing in the
> training into Cisco is nothing to be happy about also. Other big companies
> had that model before and their knowledge base never flourished as much as
> Cisco's did.... If it's not broken don't fix it, but again more revenues for
> the PNL. It's kind of funny, all the other suppliers (HP, Juniper, etc) are
> now trying to copy Cisco's training strategy anyway...
>
> I know what my question to John Chambers will be during the Netvet's dinner
> at this year's Networkers....
>
> Regards,
>
> -Carl
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Nick Matthews <matthn_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think Cisco would very much like to do this. It's not quite as
>> simple as just releasing it, however.
>>
>> What's a greater risk - having some dissatisfied customers or
>> releasing unix code that is implemented into a chip and is released as
>> a competitive product? What's the potential for lost revenue if
>> people use the product for production traffic? It may sound extreme,
>> but the probability is not zero.
>>
>> As well, there's infrastructure and support costs for releasing the
>> product. It's worth doing, but it may not have been viable
>> previously. IOU is a Cisco engineering tool and it has been like that
>> for a number of reasons.
>>
>> I think this learning offering is Cisco's first step into this, and
>> there's more to come. I believe the switching infrastructure on the
>> lab exam is virtualized, so it would be logical to assume that would
>> be part of this offering at some point. That would change things in
>> terms of rack rentals in my opinion.
>>
>> -nick
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Carl Gosselin
>> <carl.gosselin_at_altizone.com> wrote:
>>> Guys,
>>> I don't know if many of you are self employed or owners of small
>>> proffesional services enterprises but I find that Cisco is not being fair
>>> when it does not release tools such as IOU or L2IOU to all it's partners
>> and
>>> clients. Tools like Dynamips are totally integrated in the way we design
>> and
>>> build solutions for our clients today, this in returns guaranties a Cisco
>>> sale... I would assume it would be in their interest to allow us to use
>>> tools in the long term.
>>>
>>> If they would only look at what the competition is doing, and I mean
>>> Microsoft here, for a minimal yearly service contract (TechNet) you have
>>> access to all their software for testing purposes. The real software...
>>>
>>> I would be more then willing to pay a service contract for Cisco too, if
>> I
>>> could get legitimate tools and know they would get maintained.
>>>
>>> I think this group could be influential with such an approach with Cisco.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> - Carl
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Scott Morris <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From a CCIE perspective, I don't think you'll find a lot of change.
>>>> Like ANY of the simulators, it's not perfect. Especially as you get
>>>> into more complicated scenarios and complex labs. There's no replacing
>>>> real, live equipment.
>>>>
>>>> For the lower-end courses though, it's a great way to give people access
>>>> to things and control what's happening.
>>>>
>>>> Your first two-wheel bike will help you with learning to rider, however,
>>>> it will NOT allow you to win a triathlon. ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>>>>
>>>> CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
>>>>
>>>> CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>>
>>>> swm_at_emanon.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>>
>>>> Power corrupts.
>>>>
>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/12/11 10:48 AM, JB Poplawski wrote:
>>>>> Any Third Party Providers have any comments? I'm assuming this could
>>>>> snag some lab rental time away. I still have my 3 (INE, IPE and
>>>>> Micronics) just need some time to get it done.
>>>>> JB
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> They have announced there few labs and each lab have some sub topics.
>>>> Price
>>>>>> is not much heighr, its around 50 to 75 for 25 hours of time. Labs
>> are
>>>>>> clearly saying Unix IOU. Labs range from ccna to ccip, ccnp
>> (switching
>>>> and
>>>>>> route) few with MPLS but no ccie level lab. But good thing, i hope,
>> will
>>>> be
>>>>>> to get used to lab interface. I assume most probably both interfaces
>>>> will be
>>>>>> same, but i am not sure, only one with both worlds can tell what is
>>>>>> similarity there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Dan Shechter <danshtr_at_gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cisco learning network is down. did you had the chance to actually
>> see
>>>> what
>>>>>>> is it all about?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>> Dan #13685 (RS/Sec/SP)
>>>>>>> The CCIE troubleshooting blog: http://dans-net.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>> wrote:
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