Re: OT - VSS and CCIE 4.0

At the risk of offending someone, I'm going to call them as I see them.

Lab difficulty: The difficulty level of the exam should be similar to
previous incarnations of the exam. It is a very self-serving position
that the gates should be shut when you got off the Mayflower. Many
would argue that the exam is broader, deeper and more difficult than
previous incarnations without simply adding technologies purely because
they are hard to get access to.
Instructors: Personally, if you're going to be certified to teach for
the CCIE, I do think you should be re-lab testing every 12-24 months.
Paper delivery: Agreed. The test should be given to the candidate in
whatever format they are most comfortable with. And they should also be
allowed to write on them. Shredders are cheap.
Lab Scope/Features: I don't view the lab as a test of knowledge of
Cisco technologies. It is a test of your ability to learn and apply
technologies. VSS is just another feature in another document. If I
can understand the configuration of MQC/MPF, how the heck difficult is
VSS really?

I agreed completely with the addition of the troubleshooting section for
both the protection of test integrity and validation of real world
skills. Sometimes, I get the feeling that some here would rather that
the lab was unpassable unless you paid for 3rd party training. Lobbying
Cisco to keep raising the bar to keep butts in training seats is
disingenuous.

The CCIE tracks should be about knowledge, effort and aptitude and
nothing more.

Feel free to disagree.

On 3/3/2011 12:58 AM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> Piotr,
>
> Could you imagine if Cisco gives students something like IOU that can
> emulate the 6500s, IOS XR and etc.....I would LOVE to write some serious
> labs on few 6500s, and i am sure that the other vendors will do the same;
> that will make every CCIE more knowledgable.
>
> Do you remember when we ONLY had two switches? Look at the switching labs
> now, we have 4 of them, look at the quality of the switching labs. How could
> you compare them to the time when we ONLY had two of them. Can you imagine
> how good we are all going to get? That is where i am going with this. What
> is the use of a CCIE cert if it's easy as CCNA or MCSE? Don't you guys want
> to protect your investment?
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Piotr Malarski
> <piotr.malarski.99_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> A CCNP test should have 4 3560s. ?
>>
>> So you basically propose to rename current CCIE to CCNP and making new
>> CCIE as popular as Architect cert. I have no problem with that :)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Narbik Kocharians<narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I do agree with Shahid, but if it was up to me, the following is what I
>>> would recommend:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. *The written exam should match the R&S blueprint*; it should be the
>>> theory part of the lab. I believe that this will keep every one honest
>> and
>>> knowledgeable; because a CCIE candidate will know that this section is
>> the
>>> most important aspect of this cert; besides the fact that they have to
>> keep
>>> on referring back to that information when they have difficulty
>>> understanding a given configuration.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. *Remove some of the 3560 switches, and add 6500s*, this can be either
>> 2
>>> of each, or any combination. This can somewhat emulate the real world.
>> There
>>> are many differences between the two boxes. No matter where you go these
>>> days, you will see these boxes. Could you imagine how well you would know
>>> what s used out there? Your confidence level will be different.
>>>
>>> A CCNP test should have 4 3560s.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3. *Remove the written test for re-certification*, and instead add a
>>> mandatory lab every 5 years, this will keep us all at our BEST. Maybe
>> allow
>>> three attempts before revoking the CCIE number.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 4. *Go back to the days that the topology and the questions were given to
>> us
>>> on paper*. I do not buy the fact that this saves trees and etc etc,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 5. *Give CCIEs something like a License that has the candidates picture*,
>> i
>>> see a lot of people faking a lot of people, believe it or not in few
>>> occasions i was teaching two different classes in two different parts of
>> the
>>> world all at the same time, and one of us was horrible.
>>>
>>>
>>> 6. *I like to see the "two day" lab back again*. Could you
>>> imagine..........8 hours of configuration on day one, and another 8 hours
>> of
>>> TS on day two; the TS should NOT have anything to do with what you
>>> configured on day one. Increase the price of the test to accommodate this
>>> change. Wouldn t that be exciting?
>>>
>>> Maybe i am going crazy, i have been writing labs all day........i am
>> going
>>> to sleep.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Shahid Ansari<shahid1357_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
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