Re: CCDE certification

Yeah, that makes good sense - thanks for the insight.

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On Feb 18, 2011, at 12:48 , Ronnie Angello wrote:

> I think it's pretty accurate if you take into consideration what the
> CCDE is
> and isn't... I would consider everyone that I know that has passed
> it a
> design expert. I'd also consider some that haven't passed it design
> experts. Design is so broad, so it's difficult to have one expert
> level
> cert. CCDE should truly be parallel to CCIE - there should be a
> CCDE R&S,
> CCDE SP, CCDE Voice, CCDE Storage, etc. in my opinion.
>
> The CCDE is based on L3 design as it pertains to routing, tunneling,
> QoS,
> security, and management. It doesn't really touch on Data Center,
> Voice, or
> WLAN elements for instance, but how those pieces impact the
> underlying L3
> routing, tunneling, or QoS design, etc. It doesn't focus on Cisco
> products... There certainly are plenty of expert level design
> engineers in
> those disciplines, so I'd have a hard time saying that you're not a
> design
> expert if you don't have the CCDE.
>
> Basically it is a true design expert test for what it's designed to
> test, if
> that makes sense...
>
> Ronnie
>
> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Scott M Vermillion <
> scott_ccie_list_at_it-ag.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ronnie,
>>
>> Just curious to know your thought as to how well the holding of this
>> cert reflects a true design expert? Not that I'm actually
>> considering
>> it right now! ;-) Rather, just curious as to how well, in your (and
>> others') opinion, this certification maps to real-world design
>> expertise...
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Scott
>>
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>> On Feb 18, 2011, at 7:08 , Ronnie Angello wrote:
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>>> Your assumptions are valid. Right now a CCDE is equivalent to CCIE
>>> for
>>> meeting channel partner cert requirements.
>>>
>>> Is it worth the effort? That's up to you. I'm not going for the
>>> cert to
>>> get another job, but just want to be recognized as a design expert.
>>> What is
>>> your motivation?
>>>
>>> Ronnie
>>>
>>> On Feb 17, 2011 9:39 AM, "Bernard Steven" <buny.steven_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I know that having a CCIE isn t a must for CCDE. But to get the
>>> insight
>>> ,believe one needs a good hands on with most of the technologies.
>>>
>>> What my question is , is the effort justified with the reward for
>>> CCDE ? So
>>> far , have not seen any company specifically stating for CCDEs.
>>>
>>> Also I am under the impression that CCDE is mostly product neutral
>>> and lots
>>> of RFCs.
>>>
>>> Are my assumptions valid ?
>>>
>>> Any how , I am planning for the CCDE. Still reading . Have a great
>>> deal of
>>> experience in SP environment , but not with all the technologies
>>> mentioned
>>> in the blueprint.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Ronnie Angello <
>> ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> CCDA/DP wi...
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