Re: CCDE certification

I think it's pretty accurate if you take into consideration what the CCDE is
and isn't... I would consider everyone that I know that has passed it a
design expert. I'd also consider some that haven't passed it design
experts. Design is so broad, so it's difficult to have one expert level
cert. CCDE should truly be parallel to CCIE - there should be a CCDE R&S,
CCDE SP, CCDE Voice, CCDE Storage, etc. in my opinion.

The CCDE is based on L3 design as it pertains to routing, tunneling, QoS,
security, and management. It doesn't really touch on Data Center, Voice, or
WLAN elements for instance, but how those pieces impact the underlying L3
routing, tunneling, or QoS design, etc. It doesn't focus on Cisco
products... There certainly are plenty of expert level design engineers in
those disciplines, so I'd have a hard time saying that you're not a design
expert if you don't have the CCDE.

Basically it is a true design expert test for what it's designed to test, if
that makes sense...

Ronnie

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Scott M Vermillion <
scott_ccie_list_at_it-ag.com> wrote:

> Hi Ronnie,
>
> Just curious to know your thought as to how well the holding of this
> cert reflects a true design expert? Not that I'm actually considering
> it right now! ;-) Rather, just curious as to how well, in your (and
> others') opinion, this certification maps to real-world design
> expertise...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
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> On Feb 18, 2011, at 7:08 , Ronnie Angello wrote:
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> > Your assumptions are valid. Right now a CCDE is equivalent to CCIE
> > for
> > meeting channel partner cert requirements.
> >
> > Is it worth the effort? That's up to you. I'm not going for the
> > cert to
> > get another job, but just want to be recognized as a design expert.
> > What is
> > your motivation?
> >
> > Ronnie
> >
> > On Feb 17, 2011 9:39 AM, "Bernard Steven" <buny.steven_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I know that having a CCIE isn t a must for CCDE. But to get the
> > insight
> > ,believe one needs a good hands on with most of the technologies.
> >
> > What my question is , is the effort justified with the reward for
> > CCDE ? So
> > far , have not seen any company specifically stating for CCDEs.
> >
> > Also I am under the impression that CCDE is mostly product neutral
> > and lots
> > of RFCs.
> >
> > Are my assumptions valid ?
> >
> > Any how , I am planning for the CCDE. Still reading . Have a great
> > deal of
> > experience in SP environment , but not with all the technologies
> > mentioned
> > in the blueprint.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Ronnie Angello <
> ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com
> > >
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