Re: NO MAIL ON Group study

No fight mate ..
We are just putting our views .

Gaurav Madan

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Gaurav Thukral <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> Guys
>
> i do not wanna fight guys . The point I am trying to make is that it is
> expensive now nothing more than that.
>
> Regards,
> Gaurav
>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr) <
> rrouttjr_at_cisco.com> wrote:
>
>> I spent around $5k last year on my own training, lab attempt, lunch in
>> San Jose, etc..My earnings have not gone anywhere.(obviously right!) I
>> spent over $40k on a Bachelor's degree. Since I have obtained my BD, my
>> earnings have kept up w/inflation, that is about it. Not sure that the
>> degree has had anything to do with that since my degree is not related
>> to what I do. The point I am trying to make is that it is an investment,
>> but the ability to recover the investment is much shorter than my
>> student loans will be. I would bet CCIE investment will pay dividends
>> that are much more lucrative and longer-lasting if you stay in IT. I
>> think Narbik has a good point and I believe most folks whom have spent
>> their own money would too. You have to pay to play to some extent. Maybe
>> look @ CCIE vs. CCA for cost justification if that would help :)
>>
>> -R
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Narbik Kocharians
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:09 AM
>> To: Gaurav Thukral
>> Cc: Group study
>> Subject: Re: NO MAIL ON Group study
>>
>> Well, it depends on your approach, the process should NOT cost you more
>> than
>> 5400 dollars, and that is with 2 tries. and you typically get that back
>> within the first year or two and then some (In MOST of the cases). So is
>> it
>> expensive? YES, is it worth it? Heck yeh.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Gaurav Thukral
>> <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> > I agree Narbik. It is very expensive. Everybody can not afford it and
>> that
>> > is true.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Gaurav
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Narbik Kocharians
>> <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Unfortunately the tracks or certificates that are worth focusing on
>> are
>> >> the expensive ones. But one way to look at it is the fact that you do
>> make
>> >> more money, and it's no longer a win win situation, it's a win win
>> win
>> >> situations for all three parties (You, Your firm and Cisco).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Gaurav Thukral
>> <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Doing a CCIE with your OWN money or if u r employer will pay for it
>> >>> ....difference a lot
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> Gaurav
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, GAURAV MADAN <
>> >>> gauravmadan1177_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > Again .. its the perspective how you look at it ..
>> >>> >
>> >>> > If by *normal person* you mean someone who has not previously
>> worked
>> >>> > on these platforms and he/she want to do this kind of
>> ceritfication ?
>> >>> > If thats the case ... I will not second the idea ... simply
>> because
>> >>> > you will not be advocate the solutions / real life deployments
>> using
>> >>> > these products .
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Gaurav Madan
>> >>> > CCIE # 23863
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Gaurav Thukral
>> <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
>> >>> >
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> > > Hi
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > I have no problem with hardware / architecture . I worked in
>> CISCO as
>> >>> a
>> >>> > NCE
>> >>> > > and also worked on a very large networks. Logic behind the mail
>> was
>> >>> for a
>> >>> > > normal person it is tough to afford CCIE SP & IOS-XR will not be
>> >>> easily
>> >>> > > available.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Regards,
>> >>> > > Gaurav
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Gaurav Thukral <
>> >>> pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>
>> >>> > > wrote:
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> Hi
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> Now it will become very costly dear. .......If u r a Cisco
>> Employee
>> >>> then
>> >>> > >> it is ok for you. Becoz u have free 3 attempts & 5 with Manager
>> >>> > approval.
>> >>> > >> For a normal person it is very tough to afford. My thoughts
>> are
>> >>> clear
>> >>> > about
>> >>> > >> CCIE.
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> Regards,
>> >>> > >> Gaurav
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:34 PM, GAURAV MADAN <
>> >>> > gauravmadan1177_at_gmail.com>
>> >>> > >> wrote:
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>> Gaurav ,
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>> That's a bold statement and a statement at which most will
>> laugh
>> >>> and
>> >>> > >>> ignore.
>> >>> > >>> Diff. people have diff. views of CCIE as a certification .
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>> But when Cisco say that you are a CCIE .. that means you are
>> expert
>> >>> in
>> >>> > >>> technology as well as product and you can handle related stuff
>> . So
>> >>> if
>> >>> > >>> you say that you are leaving race just because of new hardware
>> in
>> >>> lab
>> >>> > >>> .. the fact is you shd first get the feel of hardware /
>> >>> architecture
>> >>> > >>> etc before you jump on CCIE lab . Just think why Cisco is
>> >>> introducing
>> >>> > >>> new hardware in lab .. does Cisco has some personal rivalry
>> with
>> >>> you
>> >>> > >>> ?? No .. that's because Cisco see a market going in that
>> direction
>> >>> ..
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>> So better clear you view abt CCIE :)
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>> Gaurav Madan
>> >>> > >>> CCIE # 23863
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Gaurav Thukral <
>> >>> pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >>> wrote:
>> >>> > >>> > Hi,
>> >>> > >>> >
>> >>> > >>> > I think people stopped studying CISCO . There are no mails
>> on
>> >>> > >>> > groupstudy or
>> >>> > >>> > they solved all the troubleshooting tickets?
>> >>> > >>> >
>> >>> > >>> > I have seen the new CCIE SP blueprint. I think very few
>> people
>> >>> will
>> >>> > go
>> >>> > >>> > for
>> >>> > >>> > it. CISCO will not be able to generate so much revenue from
>> CCIE
>> >>> > >>> > Certifications further.
>> >>> > >>> >
>> >>> > >>> > Regards,
>> >>> > >>> >
>> >>> > >>> > Gaurav
>> >>> > >>> >
>> >>> > >>> >
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