RE: NO MAIL ON Group study

No one is trying to fight you on this. We are just trying to help. Fact
is, people who really want to do this will find a way no matter the cost
like they have in the past.

-R

From: Gaurav Thukral [mailto:pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:26 AM
To: Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr)
Cc: Narbik Kocharians; Group study
Subject: Re: NO MAIL ON Group study

Guys

i do not wanna fight guys . The point I am trying to make is that it is
expensive now nothing more than that.

Regards,
Gaurav

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr)
<rrouttjr_at_cisco.com> wrote:

I spent around $5k last year on my own training, lab attempt, lunch in
San Jose, etc..My earnings have not gone anywhere.(obviously right!) I
spent over $40k on a Bachelor's degree. Since I have obtained my BD, my
earnings have kept up w/inflation, that is about it. Not sure that the
degree has had anything to do with that since my degree is not related
to what I do. The point I am trying to make is that it is an investment,
but the ability to recover the investment is much shorter than my
student loans will be. I would bet CCIE investment will pay dividends
that are much more lucrative and longer-lasting if you stay in IT. I
think Narbik has a good point and I believe most folks whom have spent
their own money would too. You have to pay to play to some extent. Maybe
look @ CCIE vs. CCA for cost justification if that would help :)

-R

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of

Narbik Kocharians
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:09 AM
To: Gaurav Thukral
Cc: Group study
Subject: Re: NO MAIL ON Group study

Well, it depends on your approach, the process should NOT cost you more
than
5400 dollars, and that is with 2 tries. and you typically get that back
within the first year or two and then some (In MOST of the cases). So is
it
expensive? YES, is it worth it? Heck yeh.

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Gaurav Thukral
<pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> I agree Narbik. It is very expensive. Everybody can not afford it and
that
> is true.
>
> Regards,
> Gaurav
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Narbik Kocharians
<narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately the tracks or certificates that are worth focusing on
are
>> the expensive ones. But one way to look at it is the fact that you do
make
>> more money, and it's no longer a win win situation, it's a win win
win
>> situations for all three parties (You, Your firm and Cisco).
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Gaurav Thukral
<pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Doing a CCIE with your OWN money or if u r employer will pay for it
>>> ....difference a lot
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Gaurav
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, GAURAV MADAN <
>>> gauravmadan1177_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> > Again .. its the perspective how you look at it ..
>>> >
>>> > If by *normal person* you mean someone who has not previously
worked
>>> > on these platforms and he/she want to do this kind of
ceritfication ?
>>> > If thats the case ... I will not second the idea ... simply
because
>>> > you will not be advocate the solutions / real life deployments
using
>>> > these products .
>>> >
>>> > Gaurav Madan
>>> > CCIE # 23863
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Gaurav Thukral
<pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
>>> >
>>> > wrote:
>>> > > Hi
>>> > >
>>> > > I have no problem with hardware / architecture . I worked in
CISCO as
>>> a
>>> > NCE
>>> > > and also worked on a very large networks. Logic behind the mail
was
>>> for a
>>> > > normal person it is tough to afford CCIE SP & IOS-XR will not be
>>> easily
>>> > > available.
>>> > >
>>> > > Regards,
>>> > > Gaurav
>>> > >
>>> > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Gaurav Thukral <
>>> pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Hi
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Now it will become very costly dear. .......If u r a Cisco
Employee
>>> then
>>> > >> it is ok for you. Becoz u have free 3 attempts & 5 with Manager
>>> > approval.
>>> > >> For a normal person it is very tough to afford. My thoughts
are
>>> clear
>>> > about
>>> > >> CCIE.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Regards,
>>> > >> Gaurav
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:34 PM, GAURAV MADAN <
>>> > gauravmadan1177_at_gmail.com>
>>> > >> wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Gaurav ,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> That's a bold statement and a statement at which most will
laugh
>>> and
>>> > >>> ignore.
>>> > >>> Diff. people have diff. views of CCIE as a certification .
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> But when Cisco say that you are a CCIE .. that means you are
expert
>>> in
>>> > >>> technology as well as product and you can handle related stuff
. So
>>> if
>>> > >>> you say that you are leaving race just because of new hardware
in
>>> lab
>>> > >>> .. the fact is you shd first get the feel of hardware /
>>> architecture
>>> > >>> etc before you jump on CCIE lab . Just think why Cisco is
>>> introducing
>>> > >>> new hardware in lab .. does Cisco has some personal rivalry
with
>>> you
>>> > >>> ?? No .. that's because Cisco see a market going in that
direction
>>> ..
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> So better clear you view abt CCIE :)
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Gaurav Madan
>>> > >>> CCIE # 23863
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Gaurav Thukral <
>>> pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
>>> > >
>>> > >>> wrote:
>>> > >>> > Hi,
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > I think people stopped studying CISCO . There are no mails
on
>>> > >>> > groupstudy or
>>> > >>> > they solved all the troubleshooting tickets?
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > I have seen the new CCIE SP blueprint. I think very few
people
>>> will
>>> > go
>>> > >>> > for
>>> > >>> > it. CISCO will not be able to generate so much revenue from
CCIE
>>> > >>> > Certifications further.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > Regards,
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > Gaurav
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> >
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