Re: Failed - October 8.

As you go through the technologies, you will learn which is
proprietary and which is a standard.

In the case of frame-relay encapsulation, you know that there are 2
types of frame-relay encapsulation; cisco and ietf.
So if you see something like the word industry standard, RFC-based,
RFC1490, etc, you know it's ietf type.
If you see the wording proprietary, cisco-specific, etc, you know it's cisco.
If it says use the default type, maybe you already know that's cisco.
either way, all of the above is quickly referenced in the
encapsulation frame-relay section of the DocCD.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Poplawski, James
<jpoplawski_at_starkinvestments.com> wrote:
> Going through the material enough will have it warped into your head enough.
>
> I would expect some vendors beef up their Frame Relay and IPv6 Multicast training as I could use some more in-depth practice with both.
>
> Thanks,
> JB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marko Milivojevic [mailto:markom_at_ipexpert.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:35 AM
> To: Poplawski, James
> Cc: Narbik Kocharians; Muzammil Malick; Oskar; --Hammer--; CCIE Group Study
> Subject: Re: Failed - October 8.
>
> HA! There you go! Wabbit spanning-tree :-).
>
> So, anything else you need help remembering?
>
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> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 16:20, Poplawski, James
> <jpoplawski_at_starkinvestments.com> wrote:
>> 802.1w as in Rapid or Bugs Bunny fans wabbit!
>>
>> First attempt I freaked out, I said 802.1w, I'm 95% sure it's rapid, but I better double-check.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Marko Milivojevic [mailto:markom_at_ipexpert.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:13 AM
>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>> Cc: Poplawski, James; Muzammil Malick; Oskar; --Hammer--; CCIE Group Study
>> Subject: Re: Failed - October 8.
>>
>> That's a constant. You just remember 802.1 and then add the letter "s"
>> as in mSt, or "w" as in "Whatwasitagain"? ;-)
>>
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>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 16:11, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>> hahaha
>>>
>>> Don't forget that they both have 802 in them as well.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well... it's actually very easy to remember. MST (802.1s) *requires*
>>>> use of 802.1w. MST has "s" in it, the other one doesn't ;-)
>>>>
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>>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 15:50, Poplawski, James
>>>> <jpoplawski_at_starkinvestments.com> wrote:
>>>> > Thanks for your advice.
>>>> >
>>>> > The other one is a great way, but when you hit RSTP (802.1w) versus MSTP
>>>> > (802.1s), you freak out and double-check.
>>>> >
>>>> > Using the DOCCD and browsing the WAN-Frame Relay section you're able to
>>>> > do a search (Ctrl+F) and search 1490.
>>>> >
>>>> > Hope this helps,
>>>> > JB
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: Muzammil Malick [mailto:malickmuz_at_gmail.com]
>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:43 AM
>>>> > To: Oskar
>>>> > Cc: Marko Milivojevic; Poplawski, James; --Hammer--; CCIE Group Study
>>>> > Subject: Re: Failed - October 8.
>>>> >
>>>> > James
>>>> >
>>>> > Going back to your original email. As someone who has been there and
>>>> > experienced the same issues as you, I would say that regarding small
>>>> > things such as RFC values and 802.xyz issues, its just one of those
>>>> > things that you just have to nail.
>>>> >
>>>> > For me this has always been a non issue because when i took the lab I
>>>> > had to do OEQs so I ended up learning all these things inside out
>>>> > anyways!! B So it doesn't hurt to learn them because
>>>> > in the past people were required to learn them.
>>>> >
>>>> > Also what I would say is that a lot of the stuff that Cisco throws in
>>>> > is along the lines of "Use this type of encapsulation e.g RFC 1490
>>>> > they are really saying, don't use the Cisco method or do use the Cisco
>>>> > method. If you are having problems remembering all the details just
>>>> > remind yourself that you can either use "cisco" or "the other one"
>>>> > Then later on when you have some spare time you can go back and check
>>>> > that you are using the right encapsulation.
>>>> > Im not saying this is a strict rule you should follow, just if you are
>>>> > having problems remembering stuff.
>>>> >
>>>> > Its also great that you passed Troubleshooting because that will give
>>>> > you the confidence to nail TS in the future.
>>>> >
>>>> > Also the great thing is that you know where your problems lie. Some
>>>> > people come out bemused because they thought they had nailed it and
>>>> > dont have a clue where they went wrong. Take heart from your position
>>>> > and move on and nail it
>>>> >
>>>> > Good luck mate.
>>>> >
>>>> > On 20 October 2010 16:06, Oskar <xyz7412369_at_yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>>> >> Marko,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I am not saying anything about IPE books. I use other vendor materials
>>>> >> but I
>>>> >> prefer not to mention the name. My point is that if I MUST know RFC #s
>>>> >> to
>>>> >> understand the question than I expect the workbook to work that way
>>>> >> too. My
>>>> >> workbook will not help me in that regard.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Now, what are RFCs to know ?
>>>> >> Is there such list so I can type it in mnemosyne
>>>> >> ( http://www.mnemosyne-proj.org/ ) and hammer it every morning ?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> >> From: Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>
>>>> >> To: Oskar <xyz7412369_at_yahoo.ca>
>>>> >> Cc: "Poplawski, James" <jpoplawski_at_starkinvestments.com>; --Hammer--
>>>> >> <bhmccie_at_gmail.com>; CCIE Group Study <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>> >> Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 10:01:00 AM
>>>> >> Subject: Re: Failed - October 8.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 13:40, Oskar <xyz7412369_at_yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>>> >>> On a serious note, vendors who claim to cover 100% of requirements and
>>>> >>>challenge
>>>> >>> students to find a topic not covered in the lab should read your post
>>>> >>>carefully.
>>>> >>> Their silence is at least "interesting".
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Oskar,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What makes you think that we were silent? James complained that he
>>>> >> didn't pass, it's not our position to publicly "rub it in", but rather
>>>> >> to reach out and assist him in getting ready for his next attempt and
>>>> >> the best way to best use the material available to him. Since he only
>>>> >> mentioned that he had IPexpert material, he can tell you what IPexpert
>>>> >> did as a response to his e-mail. He didn't use our material for his
>>>> >> preparation, but I hope he will for his next go - it will probably
>>>> >> help him a lot.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Now, I will repeat something often said... Training vendors are not
>>>> >> passing your lab - you are. We provide the material and we cover what
>>>> >> we believe is relevant to make you good engineers and experts, as well
>>>> >> as assist you in passing the lab. You need to use that material, you
>>>> >> need to read books, articles and RFCs referenced from that material if
>>>> >> you want to improve and be well prepared for the lab. There is no
>>>> >> replacement for YOUR work!
>>>> >>
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