Re: What is it that they want huh ?

Bob:
Great tips!!!
I would like to expound a bit on #3. Knowing how to get helpful answers from
the proctor.
This is a topic that i have discussed with folks over the years as well.
when approcahing the proctor with a question, which method would produce a
better response:
A) Hey, I need to know how to do this
B) From the way I am interpreting the requirement I could use (method a ) or
I could use (method b ). Both would meet the requirement as I understand it.
Is my understanding correct?

This may seem to be a radical contrast, but in talking to a proctor or two,
you would be surprised at the questions they get and how they are asked.

When you approach the proctor with a question, relax, he/she is a person
just like you. They understand that you might be nervous. Ask your question
confidently with a proposed solution or solutions to show the proctor you
know what you are talking about. Most of the time, they will be more
responsive to this type of approach. If you are way off base they might tell
you to go back and reread the question. This might not seem like they gave
you an answer, but in a big way they probably did. They probably just told
you that what you were proposing is not valid so go back and thing about it.

If you need help understanding a requirement, state the area of need
clearly. For instance, I could interpret this requirement as xxxxxx. I
wanted to make sure that I was interpreting it correctly for what the lab is
looking for.

Also - LISTEN to what they say. one experience that I had was I went to ask
about a certain part of a requirement. I stated that i had already done the
first piece and gave the proctor the info on what i did. Then went on to
explain how I could meet the second part of the requirement in two ways. He
not only led me to one of the ways over the other, but also told me to
recheck a piece that i explained that I did for the first part of the
requirement - which I let go in one ear and out the other.

Of course in the airport waiting on the flight home, i thought about what he
had told me and realized that my not listening cost me 3 points.

Thanks
Larry Hadrava
CCIE #12203
Check Out MyBlog: http://ccie12203.wordpress.com/

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Bob Sinclair <bob_at_bobsinclair.net> wrote:

> Hi Sebastian,
>
> In my seven years of helping candidates to pass the CCIE Routing and
> Switching lab I have seen technically able and speedy candidates do well
> and
> do poorly on our graded assessments. Some of the differences I have
> observed:
>
> 1. Those who do well read each task four times: at the beginning of the
> lab,
> as they perform the section, when they finish the section and again when
> they have finished the lab.
> 2. If they see two ways of doing something that appear to be acceptable,
> they seek clarification with the proctor.
> 3. They know how to get helpful answers from the proctor.
> 4. They know what they are there for: to pass the lab, not to show how
> much
> they know about networking.
>
> Do exactly what they ask for. If there is ANY doubt what they are asking
> for, ASK!
>
> See: http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/rs/lab_exam_tips.html
>
>
> HTH,
>
> Bob Sinclair CCIE 10427 CCSI 30427
> CIERS2 Online Instructor
> www.tinyurl.com/ciers2online
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Cisco Seb
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 6:05 AM
> > To: Cisco certification
> > Cc: Vibeesh S
> > Subject: Re: What is it that they want huh ?
> >
> > I have the same problem. I finished my lab with a lot of time spare,
> > verified my solutions many times.
> > Still, I failed. I was very surprised by the score report (especially
> > in
> > Layer 2 section). The only reason is can explain this is I didn't do
> > the
> > exact configuration that Cisco wanted.
> >
> >
> > I feel I know the technologies very well, I even think I understand
> > the
> > wording and am able figure out what the solution is, it just happens
> > that
> > Cisco meant something different.
> >
> > Do you guys have ideas on how to learn Cisco's way of interpreting
> > tasks? or
> > any other guidelines how to approach this so next time I will be more
> > successful?
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >
> > Thank you in advance.
> > Sebastian
> > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Bob Sinclair <bob_at_bobsinclair.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Vibeesh,
> > >
> > > To answer your question: they want you to configure it exactly as
> > they
> > > expect. From your description, it appears likely that you
> > interpreted the
> > > requirements or restrictions differently than they intended. Have
> > you
> > > taken
> > > a few graded assessment labs? By giving you detailed feedback they
> > can
> > > often help you to become aware of interpretation issues. In the lab
> > the
> > > "right" answer is the one that gets you the points.
> > >
> > > I can recommend the Cisco360 graded assessment labs, especially the 7
> > > graded
> > > assessment labs that are part of my CIERS2 Online course. I am sure
> > others
> > > will also have suggestions.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Bob Sinclair CCIE 10427 CCSI 30427
> > > CIERS2 Online Instructor
> > > www.tinyurl.com/ciers2online
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf Of
> > > > Vibeesh S
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 8:13 PM
> > > > To: Cisco certification
> > > > Subject: What is it that they want huh ?
> > > >
> > > > Went for my second shot @ the lab yesterday Finished my
> > troubleshooting
> > > > with
> > > > enough resolved tickets !! Went to the config section L2 was good
> > L3
> > > > went
> > > > well all other things were ok had some head scratching to be done
> > but
> > > > finally did finish the lab and verified the configs with the taks
> > put
> > > > forth,
> > > > everything looked ok !!! Some places i tweaked the configs for
> > certain
> > > > tasks
> > > > rebooted everything looked good !! I thought i will pass, even if i
> > > > fail i
> > > > thought will do so by a few points but the results were actually
> > > > startling
> > > > !! Trblshooting passed but L3 i got less points !! and have lost
> > > > points in
> > > > other sections !! am confused !!
> > > >
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