Re: What is it that they want huh ?

in my attempt.. i remember i asked the proctor like maybe 15 times....

just give the proctor the feeling that you are not "phishing" for a clue...
and he will be very helpful to clarify for u

HTH

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Larry Hadrava <larryh12203_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Bob:
> Great tips!!!
> I would like to expound a bit on #3. Knowing how to get helpful answers
> from
> the proctor.
> This is a topic that i have discussed with folks over the years as well.
> when approcahing the proctor with a question, which method would produce a
> better response:
> A) Hey, I need to know how to do this
> B) From the way I am interpreting the requirement I could use (method a )
> or
> I could use (method b ). Both would meet the requirement as I understand
> it.
> Is my understanding correct?
>
> This may seem to be a radical contrast, but in talking to a proctor or two,
> you would be surprised at the questions they get and how they are asked.
>
> When you approach the proctor with a question, relax, he/she is a person
> just like you. They understand that you might be nervous. Ask your question
> confidently with a proposed solution or solutions to show the proctor you
> know what you are talking about. Most of the time, they will be more
> responsive to this type of approach. If you are way off base they might
> tell
> you to go back and reread the question. This might not seem like they gave
> you an answer, but in a big way they probably did. They probably just told
> you that what you were proposing is not valid so go back and thing about
> it.
>
> If you need help understanding a requirement, state the area of need
> clearly. For instance, I could interpret this requirement as xxxxxx. I
> wanted to make sure that I was interpreting it correctly for what the lab
> is
> looking for.
>
> Also - LISTEN to what they say. one experience that I had was I went to ask
> about a certain part of a requirement. I stated that i had already done the
> first piece and gave the proctor the info on what i did. Then went on to
> explain how I could meet the second part of the requirement in two ways. He
> not only led me to one of the ways over the other, but also told me to
> recheck a piece that i explained that I did for the first part of the
> requirement - which I let go in one ear and out the other.
>
> Of course in the airport waiting on the flight home, i thought about what
> he
> had told me and realized that my not listening cost me 3 points.
>
> Thanks
> Larry Hadrava
> CCIE #12203
> Check Out MyBlog: http://ccie12203.wordpress.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Bob Sinclair <bob_at_bobsinclair.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Sebastian,
> >
> > In my seven years of helping candidates to pass the CCIE Routing and
> > Switching lab I have seen technically able and speedy candidates do well
> > and
> > do poorly on our graded assessments. Some of the differences I have
> > observed:
> >
> > 1. Those who do well read each task four times: at the beginning of the
> > lab,
> > as they perform the section, when they finish the section and again when
> > they have finished the lab.
> > 2. If they see two ways of doing something that appear to be acceptable,
> > they seek clarification with the proctor.
> > 3. They know how to get helpful answers from the proctor.
> > 4. They know what they are there for: to pass the lab, not to show how
> > much
> > they know about networking.
> >
> > Do exactly what they ask for. If there is ANY doubt what they are asking
> > for, ASK!
> >
> > See: http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/rs/lab_exam_tips.html
> >
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Bob Sinclair CCIE 10427 CCSI 30427
> > CIERS2 Online Instructor
> > www.tinyurl.com/ciers2online
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Cisco Seb
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 6:05 AM
> > > To: Cisco certification
> > > Cc: Vibeesh S
> > > Subject: Re: What is it that they want huh ?
> > >
> > > I have the same problem. I finished my lab with a lot of time spare,
> > > verified my solutions many times.
> > > Still, I failed. I was very surprised by the score report (especially
> > > in
> > > Layer 2 section). The only reason is can explain this is I didn't do
> > > the
> > > exact configuration that Cisco wanted.
> > >
> > >
> > > I feel I know the technologies very well, I even think I understand
> > > the
> > > wording and am able figure out what the solution is, it just happens
> > > that
> > > Cisco meant something different.
> > >
> > > Do you guys have ideas on how to learn Cisco's way of interpreting
> > > tasks? or
> > > any other guidelines how to approach this so next time I will be more
> > > successful?
> > > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you in advance.
> > > Sebastian
> > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Bob Sinclair <bob_at_bobsinclair.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Vibeesh,
> > > >
> > > > To answer your question: they want you to configure it exactly as
> > > they
> > > > expect. From your description, it appears likely that you
> > > interpreted the
> > > > requirements or restrictions differently than they intended. Have
> > > you
> > > > taken
> > > > a few graded assessment labs? By giving you detailed feedback they
> > > can
> > > > often help you to become aware of interpretation issues. In the lab
> > > the
> > > > "right" answer is the one that gets you the points.
> > > >
> > > > I can recommend the Cisco360 graded assessment labs, especially the 7
> > > > graded
> > > > assessment labs that are part of my CIERS2 Online course. I am sure
> > > others
> > > > will also have suggestions.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > Bob Sinclair CCIE 10427 CCSI 30427
> > > > CIERS2 Online Instructor
> > > > www.tinyurl.com/ciers2online
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > > > Vibeesh S
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 8:13 PM
> > > > > To: Cisco certification
> > > > > Subject: What is it that they want huh ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Went for my second shot @ the lab yesterday Finished my
> > > troubleshooting
> > > > > with
> > > > > enough resolved tickets !! Went to the config section L2 was good
> > > L3
> > > > > went
> > > > > well all other things were ok had some head scratching to be done
> > > but
> > > > > finally did finish the lab and verified the configs with the taks
> > > put
> > > > > forth,
> > > > > everything looked ok !!! Some places i tweaked the configs for
> > > certain
> > > > > tasks
> > > > > rebooted everything looked good !! I thought i will pass, even if i
> > > > > fail i
> > > > > thought will do so by a few points but the results were actually
> > > > > startling
> > > > > !! Trblshooting passed but L3 i got less points !! and have lost
> > > > > points in
> > > > > other sections !! am confused !!
> > > > >
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