RE: Written Exam and troubleshooting

Travis its good that you are defending the ccie's over here n noone knows the actual TS skills of guys over here, i found it rude too, but if u think with an open mind u'll feel that the guy is right, not bout his claims, rather about the introduction of TS to the lab, naturally the best way to filter out the brain dumpers is to test the unexpected, thats where u prove ur skills, u wud notice the pass % has exponentialy gone down after the introduction of TS n OEQs....ppl had to put n are putting a lil more effort to pass 4.0 as compared to 3.0, and for sure there will b ppl with less TS skills passing 3.0 just bcoz they didnt had to hav any real life TS exp, not all but some dynamippers with a lil real world exp. , cisco for sure know how to keep up the ccie value!

Regards,

Asif Gul Khan

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From: "Travis Niedens" <niedentj_at_hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Written Exam and troubleshooting
Date: 26th May 2010 3:13 am

It has nothing to do with insecurity but rather the fact that you are being
absolutely rude for no reason. Did I slander the group of CCIEs on here ? No,
you did. Did I claim to know why Cisco added troubleshooting back in? No, you
did. If you recall they did used to have troubleshooting on the 2 Day format
however it was a different format.

So, what's your ccie number?

Travis

> Subject: Re: Written Exam and troubleshooting
> From: abrayton_at_gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:47:56 -0400
> CC: kagahian_at_ccbootcamp.com; john.lockie_at_gmail.com;
charles.t.alexander_at_verizon.net; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> To: niedentj_at_hotmail.com
>
> I was expecting a few insecure individual's to write something like you
have.
> I meant it 100% and I didn't say every CCIE on here, I said MOST! I also
> didn't say it as a bad thing, just something that most lacked. Just because
> someone has a CCIE number, by no means doe's that indicate that individual
has
> any skill in troubleshooting?
>
> Do you really think that Cisco brought back the Troubleshooting portion
just
> because they didn't have anything better to do? Please with all of your
> infinite wisdom, enlighten us on why you think they invested all that money
to
> bring back the troubleshooting portion of the lab!
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Travis Niedens wrote:
>
> > "most of the ccies on this list don't have the skills needed to be good
at
> troubleshooting" ..... Did you seriously just send that out and actually
mean
> it? Have you personally evaluated the troubleshooting skills of every ccie
on
> here? Who are you to evaluate even? Did Cisco give you this great nugget of
> knowledge and you just couldn't help but sharing it with us? A very lame
> comment indeed. what's your ccie #? Travis
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Adrian Brayton
> > Sent: 5/25/2010 7:30:58 PM
> > To: Kambiz Agahian
> > Cc: John Lockie , Charles T. Alexander , ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Written Exam and troubleshooting
> > A decent book is "Troubleshooting IP Routing Protocols", you can find it
on
> E-Bay...
> >
> > Just remember that troubleshooting is not something that you can just
read
> and be done with it... Its a methodology in how you approach things! Most
of
> the CCIE's on this list don't have the skill's needed to be good at
> troubleshooting thus the reason that Cisco brought it back to the lab. You
> wont get the skill from just working on labs either as I had thought, you
need
> to practice it just as you would any other topic on the lab.
> >
> > As I had said before, it might only be 25% of the lab but it's 50% of the
> exam!
> >
> > Good Luck!
> >
> >
> > On May 25, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Kambiz Agahian wrote:
> >
> > > Charles,
> > >
> > > Believe it or not but I see a great chance of success for the students
> > > with failed written attempts on their lab exams! Why? Because you're
> > > truly doing your best, taking the test and what you've got is exactly
> > > what you ran for. Now you know your weaknesses "truly". Frankly, That's
> > > why you see all those folks with the written 1000/1000 and stuck on
> > > their 5th lab attempt. You're not going to be one of them.
> > >
> > > Please don't feel discouraged; you're on the right track mate.
> > >
> > > We do have a written workbook with heaps of questions - that may help;
> > > you might wish to give it a shot but anyway you're now building your
lab
> > > foundation and not just wasting your time - not a problem.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > --------------------------
> > > Kambiz Agahian
> > > CCIE (R&S), CCSI, WAASSE, RSSSE
> > > Technical Instructor
> > > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> > > Email: kagahian_at_ccbootcamp.com
> > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > > International: +1-702-968-5100
> > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > > John Lockie
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:34 AM
> > > To: Charles T. Alexander; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: Written Exam and troubleshooting
> > >
> > > Another argument for doing lab prep only, and then taking the written
> > > only
> > > when you are ready for the lab (or feel ready) :-)
> > >
> > > Regarding books, this probably depends on what you are looking to
> > > troubleshoot!
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/25/10 11:20 AM, "Charles T. Alexander"
> > > <charles.t.alexander_at_verizon.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I failed the written exam. I have read all the usual books such as
> > > Odom.
> > >> The exam really has a lot more troubleshooing, or at least that is my
> > >> take on it. Is there a good book(s) on this?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > >>
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