Re: Written Exam and troubleshooting

Troubleshooting has been on the lab in one way or another since the 2day.
Perhaps Adrian was unaware of that. I too believe it was to stop the
cheaters.

Ernest

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Tyson Scott <tscott_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:

> Travis/Adrian,
>
> Don't take it too personally between each other. I don't think either of
> you wanted it to be an argument.
>
> Adrian used to be a support engineer here at IPexpert. Often when he would
> get the most basic questions I would say "See you could study for your CCIE
> too." Well... here we are... and he is doing it.
>
> I also used to work for Cisco in advanced services, and often high end
> engineers would be hung up on the most basic tasks when troubleshooting
> came
> into play. So... yes... too many, attempting to achieve the CCIE and
> sometimes even CCIE's, lack the skill of good solid troubleshooting. Don't
> take offense. I don't think it is intended that way, nor is it
> specifically
> pointed towards you. But it is a fact and it helps everyone in
> understanding a part of the reason it was put on the lab exam. The second
> reason is it is really hard to cheat on troubleshooting tasks if you are
> not
> familiar with the technologies. At least this is my 2 cents on
> troubleshooting.
>
> Jack,
>
> If you feel that you are just memorizing the troubleshooting tasks that
> came
> with the vendors workbook you are working on then it may be a good idea to
> focus more on configuration for the time and then get a few other vendor
> workbooks for troubleshooting. I know most of the vendors should have some
> good troubleshooting labs by this time.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tyson Scott - CCIE #13513 R&S, Security, and SP
> Managing Partner / Sr. Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
> Mailto: tscott_at_ipexpert.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Travis Niedens
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 5:12 PM
> To: abrayton_at_gmail.com
> Cc: kagahian_at_ccbootcamp.com; john.lockie_at_gmail.com;
> charles.t.alexander_at_verizon.net; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Written Exam and troubleshooting
>
> It has nothing to do with insecurity but rather the fact that you are being
> absolutely rude for no reason. Did I slander the group of CCIEs on here ?
> No,
> you did. Did I claim to know why Cisco added troubleshooting back in? No,
> you
> did. If you recall they did used to have troubleshooting on the 2 Day
> format
> however it was a different format.
>
>
>
> So, what's your ccie number?
>
>
>
> Travis
>
> > Subject: Re: Written Exam and troubleshooting
> > From: abrayton_at_gmail.com
> > Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:47:56 -0400
> > CC: kagahian_at_ccbootcamp.com; john.lockie_at_gmail.com;
> charles.t.alexander_at_verizon.net; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > To: niedentj_at_hotmail.com
> >
> > I was expecting a few insecure individual's to write something like you
> have.
> > I meant it 100% and I didn't say every CCIE on here, I said MOST! I also
> > didn't say it as a bad thing, just something that most lacked. Just
> because
> > someone has a CCIE number, by no means doe's that indicate that
> individual
> has
> > any skill in troubleshooting?
> >
> > Do you really think that Cisco brought back the Troubleshooting portion
> just
> > because they didn't have anything better to do? Please with all of your
> > infinite wisdom, enlighten us on why you think they invested all that
> money
> to
> > bring back the troubleshooting portion of the lab!
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 25, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Travis Niedens wrote:
> >
> > > "most of the ccies on this list don't have the skills needed to be good
> at
> > troubleshooting" ..... Did you seriously just send that out and actually
> mean
> > it? Have you personally evaluated the troubleshooting skills of every
> ccie
> on
> > here? Who are you to evaluate even? Did Cisco give you this great nugget
> of
> > knowledge and you just couldn't help but sharing it with us? A very lame
> > comment indeed. what's your ccie #? Travis
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Adrian Brayton
> > > Sent: 5/25/2010 7:30:58 PM
> > > To: Kambiz Agahian
> > > Cc: John Lockie , Charles T. Alexander , ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: Written Exam and troubleshooting
> > > A decent book is "Troubleshooting IP Routing Protocols", you can find
> it
> on
> > E-Bay...
> > >
> > > Just remember that troubleshooting is not something that you can just
> read
> > and be done with it... Its a methodology in how you approach things! Most
> of
> > the CCIE's on this list don't have the skill's needed to be good at
> > troubleshooting thus the reason that Cisco brought it back to the lab.
> You
> > wont get the skill from just working on labs either as I had thought, you
> need
> > to practice it just as you would any other topic on the lab.
> > >
> > > As I had said before, it might only be 25% of the lab but it's 50% of
> the
> > exam!
> > >
> > > Good Luck!
> > >
> > >
> > > On May 25, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Kambiz Agahian wrote:
> > >
> > > > Charles,
> > > >
> > > > Believe it or not but I see a great chance of success for the
> students
> > > > with failed written attempts on their lab exams! Why? Because you're
> > > > truly doing your best, taking the test and what you've got is exactly
> > > > what you ran for. Now you know your weaknesses "truly". Frankly,
> That's
> > > > why you see all those folks with the written 1000/1000 and stuck on
> > > > their 5th lab attempt. You're not going to be one of them.
> > > >
> > > > Please don't feel discouraged; you're on the right track mate.
> > > >
> > > > We do have a written workbook with heaps of questions - that may
> help;
> > > > you might wish to give it a shot but anyway you're now building your
> lab
> > > > foundation and not just wasting your time - not a problem.
> > > >
> > > > HTH
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > > John Lockie
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:34 AM
> > > > To: Charles T. Alexander; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Written Exam and troubleshooting
> > > >
> > > > Another argument for doing lab prep only, and then taking the written
> > > > only
> > > > when you are ready for the lab (or feel ready) :-)
> > > >
> > > > Regarding books, this probably depends on what you are looking to
> > > > troubleshoot!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 5/25/10 11:20 AM, "Charles T. Alexander"
> > > > <charles.t.alexander_at_verizon.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I failed the written exam. I have read all the usual books such as
> > > > Odom.
> > > >> The exam really has a lot more troubleshooing, or at least that is
> my
> > > >> take on it. Is there a good book(s) on this?
> > > >>
> > > >>
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