RE: Written Exam and troubleshooting

Travis/Adrian,

Don't take it too personally between each other. I don't think either of
you wanted it to be an argument.

Adrian used to be a support engineer here at IPexpert. Often when he would
get the most basic questions I would say "See you could study for your CCIE
too." Well... here we are... and he is doing it.

I also used to work for Cisco in advanced services, and often high end
engineers would be hung up on the most basic tasks when troubleshooting came
into play. So... yes... too many, attempting to achieve the CCIE and
sometimes even CCIE's, lack the skill of good solid troubleshooting. Don't
take offense. I don't think it is intended that way, nor is it specifically
pointed towards you. But it is a fact and it helps everyone in
understanding a part of the reason it was put on the lab exam. The second
reason is it is really hard to cheat on troubleshooting tasks if you are not
familiar with the technologies. At least this is my 2 cents on
troubleshooting.

Jack,

If you feel that you are just memorizing the troubleshooting tasks that came
with the vendors workbook you are working on then it may be a good idea to
focus more on configuration for the time and then get a few other vendor
workbooks for troubleshooting. I know most of the vendors should have some
good troubleshooting labs by this time.

Regards,
 
Tyson Scott - CCIE #13513 R&S, Security, and SP
Managing Partner / Sr. Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
Mailto: tscott_at_ipexpert.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Travis Niedens
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 5:12 PM
To: abrayton_at_gmail.com
Cc: kagahian_at_ccbootcamp.com; john.lockie_at_gmail.com;
charles.t.alexander_at_verizon.net; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Written Exam and troubleshooting

It has nothing to do with insecurity but rather the fact that you are being
absolutely rude for no reason. Did I slander the group of CCIEs on here ?
No,
you did. Did I claim to know why Cisco added troubleshooting back in? No,
you
did. If you recall they did used to have troubleshooting on the 2 Day
format
however it was a different format.

So, what's your ccie number?

Travis

> Subject: Re: Written Exam and troubleshooting
> From: abrayton_at_gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:47:56 -0400
> CC: kagahian_at_ccbootcamp.com; john.lockie_at_gmail.com;
charles.t.alexander_at_verizon.net; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> To: niedentj_at_hotmail.com
>
> I was expecting a few insecure individual's to write something like you
have.
> I meant it 100% and I didn't say every CCIE on here, I said MOST! I also
> didn't say it as a bad thing, just something that most lacked. Just
because
> someone has a CCIE number, by no means doe's that indicate that individual
has
> any skill in troubleshooting?
>
> Do you really think that Cisco brought back the Troubleshooting portion
just
> because they didn't have anything better to do? Please with all of your
> infinite wisdom, enlighten us on why you think they invested all that
money
to
> bring back the troubleshooting portion of the lab!
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Travis Niedens wrote:
>
> > "most of the ccies on this list don't have the skills needed to be good
at
> troubleshooting" ..... Did you seriously just send that out and actually
mean
> it? Have you personally evaluated the troubleshooting skills of every ccie
on
> here? Who are you to evaluate even? Did Cisco give you this great nugget
of
> knowledge and you just couldn't help but sharing it with us? A very lame
> comment indeed. what's your ccie #? Travis
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Adrian Brayton
> > Sent: 5/25/2010 7:30:58 PM
> > To: Kambiz Agahian
> > Cc: John Lockie , Charles T. Alexander , ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Written Exam and troubleshooting
> > A decent book is "Troubleshooting IP Routing Protocols", you can find it
on
> E-Bay...
> >
> > Just remember that troubleshooting is not something that you can just
read
> and be done with it... Its a methodology in how you approach things! Most
of
> the CCIE's on this list don't have the skill's needed to be good at
> troubleshooting thus the reason that Cisco brought it back to the lab. You
> wont get the skill from just working on labs either as I had thought, you
need
> to practice it just as you would any other topic on the lab.
> >
> > As I had said before, it might only be 25% of the lab but it's 50% of
the
> exam!
> >
> > Good Luck!
> >
> >
> > On May 25, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Kambiz Agahian wrote:
> >
> > > Charles,
> > >
> > > Believe it or not but I see a great chance of success for the students
> > > with failed written attempts on their lab exams! Why? Because you're
> > > truly doing your best, taking the test and what you've got is exactly
> > > what you ran for. Now you know your weaknesses "truly". Frankly,
That's
> > > why you see all those folks with the written 1000/1000 and stuck on
> > > their 5th lab attempt. You're not going to be one of them.
> > >
> > > Please don't feel discouraged; you're on the right track mate.
> > >
> > > We do have a written workbook with heaps of questions - that may help;
> > > you might wish to give it a shot but anyway you're now building your
lab
> > > foundation and not just wasting your time - not a problem.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > --------------------------
> > > Kambiz Agahian
> > > CCIE (R&S), CCSI, WAASSE, RSSSE
> > > Technical Instructor
> > > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> > > Email: kagahian_at_ccbootcamp.com
> > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > > International: +1-702-968-5100
> > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> > > John Lockie
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:34 AM
> > > To: Charles T. Alexander; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: Written Exam and troubleshooting
> > >
> > > Another argument for doing lab prep only, and then taking the written
> > > only
> > > when you are ready for the lab (or feel ready) :-)
> > >
> > > Regarding books, this probably depends on what you are looking to
> > > troubleshoot!
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/25/10 11:20 AM, "Charles T. Alexander"
> > > <charles.t.alexander_at_verizon.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I failed the written exam. I have read all the usual books such as
> > > Odom.
> > >> The exam really has a lot more troubleshooing, or at least that is my
> > >> take on it. Is there a good book(s) on this?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
Received on Tue May 25 2010 - 17:36:05 ART